Why the divison here Gabs?  I mean all morality is individual.  National 
morality or cultural morality is really in the field of ethics isn't it?  
In that case then nobody can be a moral authority on anything but their own 
morality.
 
 
 
 

On Thursday, 10 May 2012 13:10:32 UTC+1, rigsy03 wrote:

> But what will individual "authority" on morals change? Situation 
> ethics? Is the USA president a "moral authority"? The Pope? The New 
> York Times? How does conscience develop and does it matter if one has 
> one in an immoral society? What if doing the right thing ruins your 
> life? Or your income? Do civil laws matter, for that matter? Aren't 
> they biased? The minority must go along with the majority whether they 
> agree or not with policy and support it with behavior (silence) and 
> funding (taxes). Why do you consider capitalism "vicious"? Versus 
> what? Can a Democracy be vicious? Why or why not? 
>
> On May 9, 8:53 am, Eman Abdulla <[email protected]> wrote: 
> > I can see the dilemma between doing what is ideal or abandoning the 
> > battle field altogether, and I guess doing what one can do and 
> > infusing the rot with insight and skepticism as to the moral 
> > ramifications of vicious capitalism( if I understood you correctly) 
> > would be more effective in helping the next generations  come up with 
> > their own solutions and possibly affecting change that our generation 
> > could not help. I don't think that it is only morality that is being 
> > compromised in today's economy, but long term efficiency. Economic 
> > policy that dulls the pain and patches the woes will only backfire 
> > real hard in the future. 
> > 
> > On 5/9/12, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > So good to see you back, Lee! I agree, it would be great if we could 
> have a 
> > > better view of the collateral damage of the imparted non-curriculum 
> wisdom. 
> > 
> > > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > >> I think that we can all remember some teacher or even teachers if we 
> are 
> > >> lucky, that had profound effects on our learning andf growing as 
> human 
> > >> beings.  Now my schooling was frankly shit but even I can name two 
> > >> teachers 
> > >> who have had such a marked effect on me, even into adult life. 
> > 
> > >> I think most teachers manage to impart a little of their ummm 'non 
> > >> ciriculum' wisdom to their students, at least in my opinion the goods 
> ones 
> > >> do. 
> > 
> > >> Not quite an answer to your question I know. 
> > 
> > >> As far as simple morality goes, heh I think those of us who have 
> spent 
> > >> even a little time looking at the subject, must delcare it a 
> minefield and 
> > >> hence not simple at all. 
> > 
> > >> On Wednesday, 1 February 2012 18:39:09 UTC, archytas wrote: 
> > 
> > >>> I hope to spend the next 5 years "not teaching" - a difficult 
> > >>> financial decision as this is my 'ready-to-hand' income.  Some years 
> > >>> back I tried to take and stick to a decision not to teach 
> 'ideological 
> > >>> rot' - broadly the mainstream of business and economic subjects. 
>  This 
> > >>> might seem a fairly easy personal, moral decision; yet it isn't. 
> > 
> > >>> The interesting issues don't concern the easy morality of doing 
> what's 
> > >>> right.  One can find plenty of material, from Critical Theory 
> through 
> > >>> to deconstructive approaches to behaviour and critical psychology - 
> > >>> and once, very critical management books like Peter Anthony's 
> > >>> 'Foundation of Management' and sort programmes out on the basis of 
> > >>> these.  Thus one could teach material one might feel credible and 
> > >>> stretching, broadly aimed at students learning critical reasoning. 
>  I 
> > >>> do offer modules based around writers like David Graeber, Steve Keen 
> > >>> and modern blogs at the moment. 
> > 
> > >>> What muddies the waters is a combination of streamlining costs in HE 
> > >>> and more or less the extirpation of syllabus control by academics, 
> > >>> along with a massive dilution of student brain-power and the 
> > >>> connection of student success with the numbers we pass.    This 
> > >>> situation makes moral judgement very difficult and academe has 
> > >>> collapsed altogether as a moral place. 
> > 
> > >>> Economics has long been taught as a science - an utter farce - and 
> > >>> management theories are only fit for ridicule (excellence, kwality 
> and 
> > >>> anything with 'strategic' in it).  The world works around power and 
> > >>> rhetoric, and this is the only real content of such "theories". 
> > 
> > >>> The madness that underlies all this is that we never address what 
> the 
> > >>> real issues might be.  Accumulated wealth is clearly a problem for 
> > >>> democracy as it inevitably means some will benefit by doing nothing 
> > >>> while others work and that the wealth will be used to influence 
> > >>> politics and the very ground of commercial competition.  Yet with no 
> > >>> consideration of this we leap into "theorising" in a system that 
> > >>> applauds the creation of excess wealth in few hands as a 'good'. 
> > 
> > >>> One can try to teach what one believes is true and in simple 
> morality 
> > >>> this is what one ought to do.  The actual situation is much more 
> > >>> complex.  The jobs available in teaching (apart from a few little 
> > >>> eddies I have occupied) are nearly all to do with teaching the rot, 
> > >>> because this is the cheapest way universities can devise.  The moral 
> > >>> choice of not teaching rot changes to a choice not to teach (and get 
> > >>> paid) - partly because your own students will be examined on the rot 
> > >>> because you are teaching as part of a 'team' and all students are 
> set 
> > >>> the same questions as part of standardisation.  If you don't teach 
> the 
> > >>> muck you put your students at a disadvantage. 
> > 
> > >>> I see no answers to the moral conundrum - other than just to walk 
> > >>> away, putting distance between oneself and the madness.- Hide quoted 
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> > 
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