So good to see you back, Lee! I agree, it would be great if we could have a
better view of the collateral damage of the imparted non-curriculum wisdom.

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote:

> I think that we can all remember some teacher or even teachers if we are
> lucky, that had profound effects on our learning andf growing as human
> beings.  Now my schooling was frankly shit but even I can name two teachers
> who have had such a marked effect on me, even into adult life.
>
> I think most teachers manage to impart a little of their ummm 'non
> ciriculum' wisdom to their students, at least in my opinion the goods ones
> do.
>
>
> Not quite an answer to your question I know.
>
> As far as simple morality goes, heh I think those of us who have spent
> even a little time looking at the subject, must delcare it a minefield and
> hence not simple at all.
>
>
> On Wednesday, 1 February 2012 18:39:09 UTC, archytas wrote:
>
>> I hope to spend the next 5 years "not teaching" - a difficult
>> financial decision as this is my 'ready-to-hand' income.  Some years
>> back I tried to take and stick to a decision not to teach 'ideological
>> rot' - broadly the mainstream of business and economic subjects.  This
>> might seem a fairly easy personal, moral decision; yet it isn't.
>>
>> The interesting issues don't concern the easy morality of doing what's
>> right.  One can find plenty of material, from Critical Theory through
>> to deconstructive approaches to behaviour and critical psychology -
>> and once, very critical management books like Peter Anthony's
>> 'Foundation of Management' and sort programmes out on the basis of
>> these.  Thus one could teach material one might feel credible and
>> stretching, broadly aimed at students learning critical reasoning.  I
>> do offer modules based around writers like David Graeber, Steve Keen
>> and modern blogs at the moment.
>>
>> What muddies the waters is a combination of streamlining costs in HE
>> and more or less the extirpation of syllabus control by academics,
>> along with a massive dilution of student brain-power and the
>> connection of student success with the numbers we pass.    This
>> situation makes moral judgement very difficult and academe has
>> collapsed altogether as a moral place.
>>
>> Economics has long been taught as a science - an utter farce - and
>> management theories are only fit for ridicule (excellence, kwality and
>> anything with 'strategic' in it).  The world works around power and
>> rhetoric, and this is the only real content of such "theories".
>>
>> The madness that underlies all this is that we never address what the
>> real issues might be.  Accumulated wealth is clearly a problem for
>> democracy as it inevitably means some will benefit by doing nothing
>> while others work and that the wealth will be used to influence
>> politics and the very ground of commercial competition.  Yet with no
>> consideration of this we leap into "theorising" in a system that
>> applauds the creation of excess wealth in few hands as a 'good'.
>>
>> One can try to teach what one believes is true and in simple morality
>> this is what one ought to do.  The actual situation is much more
>> complex.  The jobs available in teaching (apart from a few little
>> eddies I have occupied) are nearly all to do with teaching the rot,
>> because this is the cheapest way universities can devise.  The moral
>> choice of not teaching rot changes to a choice not to teach (and get
>> paid) - partly because your own students will be examined on the rot
>> because you are teaching as part of a 'team' and all students are set
>> the same questions as part of standardisation.  If you don't teach the
>> muck you put your students at a disadvantage.
>>
>> I see no answers to the moral conundrum - other than just to walk
>> away, putting distance between oneself and the madness.
>>
>>
>>
>>

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