We'll have to convert you to carbon dioxide as a propellant Allan.

At one point I used to do remedial maths with engineers.  I rarely got
through.  In the course f a class I could shift most of the class to
get stuff right, but they'd forget in a week.  These same people could
perform reasonably well in jobs.  At higher academic levels I had
people who could intercourse the inverse differential of Zarkian time-
travel who couldn't boil and egg because they waited for the gas to
come on without a match.

We could almost do with a control group who don't do school so we
could see if it really does make much difference.  I suspect a lot f
it is learning to do what you are told in order to be employable doing
just that.  My best students didn't learn much from me.

On Sep 17, 7:14 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote:
> Kid are trained to read a book then answer questions based on what they
> read. Unfortunately that is what and how they have been taught to learn.
> Creating and even bigger problem..  the computer games are not any better
> in creating creative learning.
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> I agree with you at 14 the education should split with 7 year more
> training available for on going training ..  everything goes,,  maybe they
> will create a trade in computer programming??  I think they put to much
> garbage into the educational system.
> Allan
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> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:18 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I'd like to see kids out of school at 14.  I'd give everyone 7 years
> > of further free training or education after that.
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> > In England we are admitting our GCSE exams were never worth spit and
> > that coursework is a dud method.  I suspect what we aren't doing is
> > admitting how useless education really is for most people.  Having
> > kids in school so they can commune with each other and be minded until
> > 14 is fair enough.  The few who can benefit from academic study need
> > to be encouraged to both fit in with the rabble and be given the
> > chance to establish learning fellowship amongst themselves.  Much of
> > this could now be a university of the air.
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> > The plan in England is to go back to exams, strangely at 16 given the
> > assertion school is to be forced on everyone until 18.  We had a plan
> > for grammar schools, technical and secondary moderns once.  The
> > current lunacy is really just a reversion to that.  Our grammar and
> > public schools broadly taught dross about classics and empire.
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> > From what I see walking the dog, our schools fail to do much with most
> > kids.  Litter is a big problem.  I tested three 101 classes for
> > research purposes last year to see if any of them could write
> > spreadsheet cells and do literature search.  That was 110 people and
> > the results were zero.  Extending the test a bit into such matters as
> > which are the world's largest manufacturers (some of these people have
> > economics at A level) or the origins of world wars in trade and
> > finance also zilch.
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> > In front of these know-littles was a 101 programme about learning a
> > few chapters of books in order to answer questions based on them.
> > Work makes more sense as education than this.
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> |_D Allan
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> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> I am a Natural Airgunner -
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>  Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.

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