The EU countries have different work and leisure models. It's more about culture than greed, I think. So why did all that money wind up in the British banking system?
On Sep 19, 3:57 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > I know the function o the EU was to allow the countries to work together > taking advantage of the EU production.. but greed gets into place and those > people don't give a damn. > Allan > > > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 6:46 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > Don has just repeated the parable of the grasshopper and ant. Francis > > Bacon put the bee forward as an example of industry to follow - though > > they actually spend a lot of time incumbent (snoozing). My grandson > > is currently in grasshopper mode. > > > There's a lot to empathise with in Don's tale. I doubt government is > > the prime redirector of our savings - this is what the crooked > > financial sector does. The model is 'smuggling' - an activity that is > > really about stealing tax. > > > I rather lie the industrious German model. The problem with > > Merkelisation is you get so good at producing manufactures it makes no > > sense for anyone else to make them and thus have anything worth > > exchanging for them and lots of Germans hogging the pool and prime sun- > > lounging sites. The old EU idea was that areas would focus on what > > they were good at, achieving economies of scale and the diamond of > > competitive advantage. These products would thus be swapped between > > these amazingly efficient areas. You even hear idiots saying all our > > food should be grown in Brazil because its cheaper there. > > > My question really concerns how much work we need to do in Don's > > model. My guess is not much. In economic terms I wonder what could > > be efficient about a financial sector doing more than just servicing > > productive investment and being allowed to steal as though it was > > government. > > > I must say I don't usually lump porridge, haggis and Gabby together in > > my thoughts. > > > On 19 Sep, 09:11, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I was even reading that english is a variation of german,, krauts are > > > every where.. which is weird.. > > > > what i don't like seeing is the wealth being pissed in to just a very few > > > pockets and they don't even bother to pay taxes on the money it makes . > > > Allan > > > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > So the Germans are responsible for Haggis as well as all the > > > > rest? Figures... > > > > > I always liked the idea of unearned income. In fact, I've really been > > > > looking forward to it and it's why I've saved and invested so > > assiduously > > > > over the years. It angers me beyond telling to see my own government > > > > pissing my hard earned savings down the toilet to "spread the wealth > > > > around" to the multitudes that haven't bother to save a dime. It > > infuriates > > > > me if you want to know the truth. > > > > > dj > > > > > On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:55:45 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote: > > > > >> They start earlier in Singapore Gabby. We had the knowing-how/knowing > > > >> what debate here once, but as you can imagine any attempt to say the > > > >> Germans had beaten us to the verstahen was met with xenophobia and > > > >> references to Hans bombing our chip shop. Bildung sounds suspiciously > > > >> Germanic here too, so we avoided that in favour of cop shows, soap > > > >> opera, advertising and thinking it smart of equate Einstein with E = > > > >> MC2. Imagine my disappointment at all the hard work in learning > > > >> German on finding a country with advertising soppier than our own! > > > > >> One of my smart nieces could handle spreadsheets at 8. Many of my > > > >> adult charges would be better off with the Alheretic Abacus. You are > > > >> right, of course. Knowledge, like government, needs to be in the > > > >> right hands under the right control. No doubt if we design the > > > >> control, the wrong people would then simply change to its new > > > >> rhetoric, as the apparatchiks became entrepreneurchiks. > > > > >> One could design a spreadsheet that showed where human effort goes in > > > >> a real time trickle and historic flood to the rich through unearned > > > >> income. We could tinker with it or the rich might use it as a modern > > > >> Domesday Book (which shows the English were basically German - imagine > > > >> my horror on discovering we Scots and even porridge are basically > > > >> German too) and rip us off even more. I suspect spreadsheet literacy > > > >> (which isn't knowing Excel) could put an end to vapid political debate > > > >> on such matters as the welfare drain and that financial services > > > >> contribute to GDP. Suspicious minds might wonder less on the vapidity > > > >> of Leibniz's desire for a social calculus and more on the absence of > > > >> an objective spreadsheet on wealth and its creation and the ever- > > > >> presence on television economics of rich prats in City braces telling > > > >> us to be thankful we can follow rich rocking horses about to pick > > > >> crumbs from their droppings. > > > > >> On 17 Sep, 23:17, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > I agree that Wissen+Können should work hand in hand. > > > >> > Yet I don't see why this should start as late as by the age of 14. I > > > >> > imagine it's easier to handle the spreadsheets from that age > > onwards. > > > >> > Each well-defined cell can then be accurately filled with the > > specific > > > >> > content to generate the best future as desired. Immediate > > modification > > > >> > option included and easily scalable. > > > > >> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:53 PM, archytas <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> > > We'll have to convert you to carbon dioxide as a propellant Allan. > > > > >> > > At one point I used to do remedial maths with engineers. I rarely > > > >> got > > > >> > > through. In the course f a class I could shift most of the class > > to > > > >> > > get stuff right, but they'd forget in a week. These same people > > > >> could > > > >> > > perform reasonably well in jobs. At higher academic levels I had > > > >> > > people who could intercourse the inverse differential of Zarkian > > > >> time- > > > >> > > travel who couldn't boil and egg because they waited for the gas > > to > > > >> > > come on without a match. > > > > >> > > We could almost do with a control group who don't do school so we > > > >> > > could see if it really does make much difference. I suspect a > > lot f > > > >> > > it is learning to do what you are told in order to be employable > > > >> doing > > > >> > > just that. My best students didn't learn much from me. > > > > >> > > On Sep 17, 7:14 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> Kid are trained to read a book then answer questions based on > > what > > > >> they > > > >> > >> read. Unfortunately that is what and how they have been taught to > > > >> learn. > > > >> > >> Creating and even bigger problem.. the computer games are not > > any > > > >> better > > > >> > >> in creating creative learning. > > > > >> > >> I agree with you at 14 the education should split with 7 year > > more > > > >> > >> training available for on going training .. everything goes,, > > > >> maybe they > > > >> > >> will create a trade in computer programming?? I think they put > > to > > > >> much > > > >> > >> garbage into the educational system. > > > >> > >> Allan > > > > >> > >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:18 PM, archytas <[email protected]> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > >> > I'd like to see kids out of school at 14. I'd give everyone 7 > > > >> years > > > >> > >> > of further free training or education after that. > > > > >> > >> > In England we are admitting our GCSE exams were never worth > > spit > > > >> and > > > >> > >> > that coursework is a dud method. I suspect what we aren't > > doing > > > >> is > > > >> > >> > admitting how useless education really is for most people. > > Having > > > >> > >> > kids in school so they can commune with each other and be > > minded > > > >> until > > > >> > >> > 14 is fair enough. The few who can benefit from academic study > > > >> need > > > >> > >> > to be encouraged to both fit in with the rabble and be given > > the > > > >> > >> > chance to establish learning fellowship amongst themselves. > > Much > > > >> of > > > >> > >> > this could now be a university of the air. > > > > >> > >> > The plan in England is to go back to exams, strangely at 16 > > given > > > >> the > > > >> > >> > assertion school is to be forced on everyone until 18. We had > > a > > > >> plan > > > >> > >> > for grammar schools, technical and secondary moderns once. The > > > >> > >> > current lunacy is really just a reversion to that. Our grammar > > > >> and > > > >> > >> > public schools broadly taught dross about classics and empire. > > > > >> > >> > From what I see walking the dog, our schools fail to do much > > with > > > >> most > > > >> > >> > kids. Litter is a big problem. I tested three 101 classes for > > > >> > >> > research purposes last year to see if any of them could write > > > >> > >> > spreadsheet cells and do literature search. That was 110 > > people > > > >> and > > > >> > >> > the results were zero. Extending the test a bit into such > > matters > > > >> as > > > >> > >> > which are the world's largest manufacturers (some of these > > people > > > >> have > > > >> > >> > economics at A level) or the origins of world wars in trade and > > > >> > >> > finance also zilch. > > > > >> > >> > In front of these know-littles was a 101 programme about > > learning > > > >> a > > > >> > >> > few chapters of books in order to answer questions based on > > them. > > > >> > >> > Work makes more sense as education than this. > > > > >> > >> > -- > > > > >> > >> -- > > > >> > >> ( > > > >> > >> ) > > > >> > >> |_D Allan > > > > >> > >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > > > >> > >> I am a Natural Airgunner - > > > > >> > >> Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. > > > > >> > > -- > > > > > -- > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > |_D Allan > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --
