crack the whip Gabby crack the whip
Allan
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:25 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
So the right time scale is missing now, oh dear! You kicked out old
religions of your economic system and got fresh psychologists in and
it's still not precise enough to conquer the unknown? Life shows no
mercy.
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 5:47 PM, archytas <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> I'm inclined to see answers with god or everything in them like
> miracle balls in cricket or the miracle pass in rugby. Trying them
> usually prevents the hard work and odd spark that might win he game.
> What I want to know is what we can reasonably hope to do on this
> planet in the constraints and future of technology including a moral
> technology of work and reward. This might give is a time-scale on
> which to go UFO. I suspect one reason for UFO stories is to brand
> such non-conventional 'wisdom' as belief in doing our best with what
> we've got as conspiratorial.
>
> On 1 Oct, 05:25, Allan H <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> I do feel better it seem it takes longer to recover though I am
greatful
>> the one before the last one was a year and half ago.
>>
>> Now of I could get rid of weird dreams... Tonights was a pelican up
>> chucking a live cat with physical side effects.. Did manage to
write it
>> down.
>>
>> The only religion part of the discussion is my personal belief
that the
>> entirety universe is physically made up of God as I understand him.
>> Allan
>> On Oct 1, 2012 5:41 AM, "James" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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>> > I am left outside science and religion on this Allan, perhaps
we have some
>> > of that in common. Sending complex biological organisms through
>> > interstellar space doesn't sound efficient if there are any
alternatives.
>> > Going up the spectrum of biotech advancements at some unknown
point a
>> > species might be able to choose not just the technological
method but
>> > innovate the medium of transport itself.
>>
>> > Perhaps they would kindly drop me a mental note explaining why
determinism
>> > is accurate, except when it is not, and how that could make
any sense.
>> > Perhaps another medium is atemporal, but we are rooted here
and now. What
>> > part of us could possibly lie outside the massive barriers of
physics, I'm
>> > still looking for answers myself. What I see as plain and
common as gravity
>> > leads me right here feeling dumb as a box of rocks.
>>
>> > Purpose is a frightening notion.. I don't resent that some
have found
>> > answers so much as it seems people latch on answers for
security, maybe
>> > I'll demand my dog to tell me what 6*7 is tomorrow. ;-) Hope
your recovery
>> > is going well Allan, you are sounding better.
>>
>> > Yikes, belated welcome to the group Bill!
>>
>> > On 9/28/2012 10:27 PM, Allan H wrote:
>>
>> >> Why can not our or for that matter any other alien body else
where be
>> >> .nothing more than a vehicle for the soul?
>> >> Allan
>>
>> >> On Sep 29, 2012 3:17 AM, "archytas" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>> >> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>>
>> >> It strikes me Bill that UFO stories and thinking about
the future and
>> >> better places (heaven etc) can be part of science. We
have no answers
>> >> to what we are doing here other than speculation. I tend
to think the
>> >> economic world is religiously organised as a control
fraud - this
>> >> aspect of religion bothers me a lot and the spiritual
does not.
>> >> Reporting in UFOs (and such matters as spontaneous human
combustion)
>> >> is so naff I can't get interested.
>>
>> >> We would generally wonder why we don't know human and
cosmic purpose
>> >> and consider this a disadvantage hard to imagine a
benevolent creator
>> >> giving us. The Spartans, at least in myth, sent their
male kids out
>> >> to cope in the wild. It would be good if mum and dad
turned up in a
>> >> space-ship with an explanation.
>>
>> >> On 28 Sep, 22:33, archytas <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>> >> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>> >> > We live on a hill between two rivers Allan. The town here
>> >> floods, but
>> >> > its such a dump now we don't go there. The weather in NW
England
>> >> is
>> >> > pretty bad generally, but this has been a very bad summer as
>> >> opposed
>> >> > to standardly bad. I'm off to the dog track at Belle Vue on
>> >> Saturday
>> >> > night - just for a daft night out. I expect a few 'alien
runners'
>> >> > there!
>>
>> >> > If there is intelligent life elsewhere I expect they won't be
>> >> animal
>> >> > like us. Evolution is red in tooth and claw in part, but also
>> >> about
>> >> > cooperation and Borg-like integration of species. Whilst I see
>> >> mind
>> >> > as a lot to do with brain processing, evidence mounts that
this is
>> >> > only part of the story - some ants that are enslaved now act in
>> >> > rebellion against there masters with no 'hope' of improving
their
>> >> own
>> >> > individual condition, presumably on behalf of the rest of their
>> >> > species. I expect aliens to be able to be able to do the
Borg thing
>> >> > and make use of what is biologically and technically
available to
>> >> make
>> >> > themselves and not be stuck with our lusts for
reproduction. My
>> >> guess
>> >> > is such assimilation would not be to dominate or produce
'drones'.
>>
>> >> > On he speed of light we know it depends on the medium it is
>> >> travelling
>> >> > in, slowing to about bicycle speed in a Bose-Einstein
condensate,
>> >> > almost stopping in such and emerging as a matter wave. If
gravity
>> >> > exists we don't know how fast it travels or how fast space
expands.
>> >> > The issue of quantum stuff like instantaneous knowing in wave
>> >> equation
>> >> > systems in which the bits 'know' each other remains.
>>
>> >> > Other species are nw only with us in assimilation or
history and
>> >> our
>> >> > fate may be little more. We are only special in made-up
stories of
>> >> > god, origin and heroes we know are trash. One of my questions
>> >> about
>> >> > robot heaven or advanced inter-galactic society is why
anyone would
>> >> > risk human beings spoiling it!
>>
>> >> > On 28 Sep, 13:28, rigsy03 <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>> >> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>>
>> >> > > What about the Elysian Fields for fallen heroes and the
blessed-
>> >> > > mentioned in the Odyssey and Aeneid? I worry about the
>> >> non-heroes and
>> >> > > esp. those who are massacred and dumped in a pit or potter's
>> >> grave
>> >> > > with no ceremony. But I do agree, we dabble in heaven and
hell
>> >> during
>> >> > > our lifetimes. For instance, a bad marriage is compared
to Hell-
>> >> > > true! :-) A sensory delight of the flesh or palate is
compared to
>> >> > > Heaven. The afterlife was popular in early Christianity
to give
>> >> the
>> >> > > poor hope but later you could buy your way into heaven with
>> >> > > indulgences and the guilt remains, perhaps, with
charities and
>> >> > > volunteerism. I have a more practical view but let's face it-
>> >> people
>> >> > > want easy answers, easy fixes/exits.
>>
>> >> > > On Sep 28, 12:17 am, William L Houts <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>> >> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>>
>> >> > > > I wonder if humans do dream of uncorrupted worlds, in
>> >> general. You'd
>> >> > > > think that would be universal, and it does seem to be borne
>> >> out by
>> >> > > > Western mythologies, with some exceptions. For
instance, the
>> >> Greeks had
>> >> > > > Olympus, but except for Heracles no one got to go there;
>> >> everyone else
>> >> > > > went to Hades, which was gloomy and boring if you were
lucky
>> >> enough to
>> >> > > > land there in general population, and terrifying if the
gods
>> >> put you in
>> >> > > > Tartarus. And the Romans didn't seem to place faith in any
>> >> sort of
>> >> > > > afterlife at all, which is one of the main reasons
>> >> whyChristianity sold
>> >> > > > like hotcakes. Eastern religions such as Buddhism had
>> >> various hells and
>> >> > > > heavens, but they were sort of besides the point: your
karma
>> >> is / was
>> >> > > > supposed to boil down to nothing and liberate you from the
>> >> Wheel of
>> >> > > > Rebirth, which was supposed to put you in Nirvana,
which was
>> >> less a
>> >> > > > Heaven than it was a Nowhere. And Taoism doesn't have
much to
>> >> say about
>> >> > > > heavenly afterworlds; its whole point is to make this
world
>> >> more just
>> >> > > > and balanced and leaves heavens to the individual to figure
>> >> out.
>>
>> >> > > > But as to your question of whether humans long for
>> >> uncorrupted worlds, I
>> >> > > > think that besides the Abrahamic religions noone takes them
>> >> very
>> >> > > > seriously. And I think they've got a point: I mean, if
>> >> you're taking
>> >> > > > your present existence at all seriously, then just what
is an
>> >> afterlife
>> >> > > > supposed to be about? Are we supposed to be eating bonbons
>> >> all day and
>> >> > > > living in some version of American luxury? I'd like to
>> >> believe in
>> >> > > > Heaven --which for me looks like a kind of liberal college
>> >> town, with
>> >> > > > libraries and funky old cinema houses-- but all of that
seems
>> >> kind of
>> >> > > > empty if there's no gravitas, no seriousness. Without
>> >> death, without a
>> >> > > > final marker which howls at us, Do what you must do NOW and
>> >> die knowing
>> >> > > > that you've used your life well--without that, I think
heaven
>> >> would
>> >> > > > become kind of slouchy and boring, or worse. Unless, of
>> >> course, what's
>> >> > > > waiting for us on the other side is something
superrational but
>> >> > > > beautiful, like being absorbed into the godhead, if such
>> >> there be.
>>
>> >> > > > So in answer to your question, I think we do dream of
>> >> uncorrupt worlds,
>> >> > > > but if we examine them too closely, they tend to be
bustable
>> >> soap
>> >> > > > bubbles. And maybe I lack imagination, but I wonder, how
>> >> could it be any
>> >> > > > other way? Frankly, I'd like to be told how. I sound
>> >> sensible about all
>> >> > > > of this if a little pessimistic, but in reality I'm a
scared
>> >> ex-Catholic
>> >> > > > who is terrified of death and wants to solve the Big
>> >> Question before
>> >> > > > they're performing Last Rites on his sorry ass.
>>
>> >> > > > --Bill
>>
>> >> > > > On 9/27/2012 7:20 PM, rigsy03 wrote:
>>
>> >> > > > > I wonder where you put the mythological and religious
>> >> other-worldlies-
>> >> > > > > from gods to guardian angels, etc.? Or the construct of
>> >> Dante's
>> >> > > > > "Divine Comedy", for instance. Do
>>
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