Better wait to see if Obama stirs up an Asian Spring first...:-) On Nov 11, 7:29 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > I was an addict of BBC World Service for re-runs of Hancock's Half > Hour, Navy Lark and others when abroad. Letter From America was very > soothing. In more recent years I watched a lot of Aussie crime > drama and spent time with Americans in the Middle East for 'company'. > The car bit in my history included building a kit car, a Morgan 4-4 > and various wrecks. The VW does look good and will hopefully be fun - > but I was honestly taken by the blue motion efficiency stuff and the > very comfy front seats. I do business lease these days rather than > buy and the real pleasure is not having to crawl under cars. Sue > really chose it and does most of the driving. I tend to take trains > if I can, but expect to have to travel more by car for the next few > years. The thing is about £2K more over the three year lease than I > meant to pay and it was hard to drag her from the wheel after the test > drive. I was planning on a couple of months off in a French Gites > with the money and some time on my own - or more correctly in old > company to see if I really want to do something different. > > I'm watching a film from Thailand at the moment. I had considered > teaching business English there and a couple of years in a different > culture away from our deceptions. The word 'romance' usually kills > any chance of me watching a film - this one is gentle and rather > lovely, but about to get serious in message. It's called 'Wonderful > Town'. > > On 11 Nov, 10:29, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yes- the BBC scandal plus BenGhazzi and Petraeus and no-show testimony > > of latter and Clinton but at least there is a new definition for being > > embedded with the troops, isn't there? > > > On Nov 9, 7:41 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Never really imagine you as a mud wrestler rigs. How does one wrestle > > > mud by the way? Sounds a bit like politics. I bought a new car too - > > > or at least ordered one for the new year. A VW Scirocco - 2 litre > > > diesel with blue motion technology that gets 64 mpg and does 0 -60 in > > > 9.3 seconds - if one believed the salesman the energy it recycles from > > > braking would power a small town! Nice looking beast one can easily > > > imagine with a saddle. > > > > Not worth diluting beer over Romney, but I have noticed Obama is only > > > the drag version. There have been no calls for the Carnielli paper > > > from this group. It's mostly uninteresting, other than in that a > > > professional philosopher has noticed life slides on bull-grease. > > > What's really in my mind on this relates to rigsy saying that Goethe > > > was perhaps the last person to have a grasp of 'everything' - in fact, > > > even the great man was largely outside the kick off of modern > > > science. The modern problem is disinformation and education based in > > > old hat. > > > > Our most educated broadcast news channel here is C4. Last night they > > > did a bit of a review on Britain's hapless inquiry systems. A Tory MP > > > popped up to describe them as > > > 1. a means to kick problems into the long grass > > > 2. a means to cover-up in public pretending to do something with the > > > intent of changing nothing > > > 3. genuine and largely Victorian (forgotten) means to bring about > > > radical change by addressing real problems. > > > > We have a paedophile scandal here around Jimmy Saville - a pathetic > > > and now dead TV personality. Politicians are supposedly involved and > > > I'm connected in that my brother and father (school teachers) asked me > > > for advice when I was a cop - on Saville and some git associated with > > > him who ran a school disco. I got the git (who has just been re- > > > arrested) on unrelated criminal matters. We were sure he was abusing > > > young girls - but I can't tell you how hard it was to do anything when > > > evidence comes from people who can easily be further abused and > > > discredited by scumbag lawyers. My advice to my brother was that the > > > police and wider CJS was hapless - in another enquiry I was reduced to > > > pinning a drunk driving charge on a perpetrator in exasperation over > > > the real case. > > > > The other side of this stuff is false complaints and mad people who > > > claim to be experts and victims and are neither. In recent years I've > > > worked with an academic with a distinct tinge of madness (personally > > > delightful) who gets lots of the child abuse stuff right and who was > > > able to get bunches of cops to really look at street situations and > > > see the abuse. The woman concerned would be easy to attack on the > > > basis of her personal life, drinks a lot, shags fairly > > > indiscriminately - and has the score right. I've just been able to > > > interview some of the cops in terms of before and after - all are > > > concerned at just how much their eyes have been opened. > > > > My views on deception in argument are based in control fraud. There > > > are similarities between the rings that form to commit fraud and abuse > > > rings. I suspect the 'mechanisms' may be the base of party > > > politics. > > > > On 9 Nov, 08:29, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > What you are saying is the crimes against humanity and murders that > > > > Bush ordered is okay? > > > > > You need to buy a new car and put a saddle in it to stay out of the > > > > mud. > > > > Allan > > > > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:12 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Better to sit in the saddle then wrestle in the mud... > > > > > > On Nov 8, 1:23 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> I hope the republicans get off their destructive high horse. Romney > > > > >> is > > > > >> right both sides need to work for the benefit of the whole nation, > > > > >> not just > > > > >> a select few. > > > > >> Allan > > > > > >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light > > > > >> On Nov 8, 2012 5:21 PM, "archytas" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > I was struck that Obama's acceptance speech was prime BA - we could > > > > >> > hardly disagree a word yet have no reason to believe any of it is > > > > >> > happening, will happen and is anything other than an appeal to > > > > >> > those > > > > >> > of us with liberal biology - yet we hope it is true and don't > > > > >> > think of > > > > >> > the real problems under its sway. Romney was a model democrat in > > > > >> > defeat, accepting the will of the people and praying for his > > > > >> > opponent. More BA as the House will already be beavering away to > > > > >> > make > > > > >> > Obama a lame duck fit to serve with a rigsy sauce. It's all, as > > > > >> > Goffman had it, 'face work'. > > > > >> > People my age were all taught Julius Caesar was a great leader who > > > > >> > invaded Britain in 53 AD. In fact, he had been seen off the year > > > > >> > before and couldn't get his lads to board the boats. The > > > > >> > barbarians > > > > >> > and Philistines of history turn out to have been much more > > > > >> > civilised, > > > > >> > artistic and all round good guys compared with the Greek and Roman > > > > >> > slave-based economies who left us their songs of victory. > > > > > >> > On 7 Nov, 13:36, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > One probably needs a critical eye to spot why this paper is > > > > >> > > itself > > > > >> > > bullshit rigsy - but you seem to have got there from the summary > > > > >> > > above. Judging from the political adverts from the US elections > > > > >> > > we > > > > >> > > sampled here last night BS has won. Polish friends in the > > > > >> > > Warsaw Pact > > > > >> > > days, skilled in Soviet hogwash, were well aware the stuff was > > > > >> > > just > > > > >> > > for public consumption and that the World Bank guff I was > > > > >> > > supposed to > > > > >> > > disseminate just our form of it. They were quick to see the > > > > >> > > apparatchiks were becoming the entrepreneurchicks following the > > > > >> > > collapse of the wall. > > > > >> > > In Britain one of our MPs is going on an Aussie TV show of the > > > > >> > > kind > > > > >> > > where they dump you in the jungle with custard and hornets in > > > > >> > > your > > > > >> > > hair. There is much protest concerning her triviality. My own > > > > >> > > view > > > > >> > > is we should develop a control experiment from this and find out > > > > >> > > how > > > > >> > > many we can dispose of in this manner before we notice an adverse > > > > >> > > effect. As an added torture we could perhaps throw this > > > > >> > > philosopher > > > > >> > > in the mix! > > > > > >> > > On 7 Nov, 11:19, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > I suspect the ghost of Diogenes the Cynic is still looking for > > > > >> > > > an > > > > >> > > > honest man. > > > > > >> > > > On Nov 5, 10:41 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > This from an academic article sent to me on 'bullshit > > > > >> > > > > attacks'. > > > > > >> > > > > Walter Carnielli > > > > >> > > > > We want to argue that falling into a specific deceptive > > > > >> > > > > reasoning > > > > >> > > > > which > > > > >> > > > > we call bullshit attack is not anything irrational from our > > > > >> > > > > side, but > > > > >> > > > > rather a > > > > >> > > > > rational response from an opponent maneuver, and that the > > > > >> > > > > entire > > > > >> > > > > episode can > > > > >> > > > > bee seen as a game, where logic and a certain principle of > > > > >> > > > > rational > > > > >> > > > > discussion > > > > >> > > > > play essential roles. Indeed, an opponent may act coercively > > > > >> > > > > into our > > > > >> > > > > reasoning > > > > >> > > > > process by using irrelevant facts or assertions, and by > > > > >> > > > > telling half > > > > >> > > > > truths in such > > > > >> > > > > a way that we feel forced to “complete” the story in a way > > > > >> > > > > that > > > > >> > > > > interest the > > > > >> > > > > opponent, perhaps contrary to our own interests. > > > > >> > > > > Even to define what is “to deceive” is not easy. The act of > > > > >> > > > > deceiving > > > > >> > > > > would > > > > >> > > > > have to be intentional, and to involve causing a belief - > > > > >> > > > > but what > > > > >> > > > > about acting > > > > >> > > > > as to prevent a false belief to be revised by the other > > > > >> > > > > person? And > > > > >> > to > > > > >> > > > > act as to > > > > >> > > > > make the > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
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