and what is ingress for? Allan On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 1:51 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > OK, boys, let's stop the weeping and whining, our data are needed. > I requested an invite here: http://www.ingress.com. Let's augment our > sad reality! > > 2012/11/15 Allan H <[email protected]>: >> that figure a game that teaches morality then using it to deceive people.. >> Sad so sad. >> Allan >> >> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 8:28 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> It probably all comes down to the spread of the means of production >>> Gabby. One of the great pieces of strategic management was the order >>> to allow his troops to sit down by a Russian general - cutting >>> casualties by 50%. This rather exposed the stupidity of the rules of >>> engagement. I have tried a game with tax avoidance, criminal money >>> and the standard value chain recently and my 'kids' soon got the hang >>> of such 'business management'. No great skill with numbers was needed >>> as I'd written some 'code' similar to financial algos that showed >>> clear outcomes. Starbucks is using something similar. Ethics >>> discussion arises in terms of having to do what the opposition might >>> be getting away with. >>> >>> On 15 Nov, 17:41, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Yes, I'm not quite sure yet what to think of the moocy business >>>> either. The idea is good though, I find. >>>> As for games in education or gamification of educational content, it >>>> is a great help for autistic learners, yes. The rules and constraints >>>> within the bubble are reliable and predictable and the excitement >>>> level is guaranteed. Knowledge transfer happens in a state of flow and >>>> everyone is happy in the end. Or so. I didn't follow up on Chris' >>>> Aemoebe(?) game project based on crowd funding. - I would want the >>>> real kids to be given all the resources and support they need to be >>>> able to produce their own games. >>>> >>>> 2012/11/15 archytas <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > We seem to be stuck in the ideological mud, including such stuff as >>>> > education being any use to people who can't do it and allowing >>>> > qualifications to focus power - an old Guild trick. The huge costs of >>>> > 'expertise' focused in individuals rather than in an equal access >>>> > system in which it is embodied is the same as unionised power. We now >>>> > have computer buildings situated next to federal finance buildings in >>>> > order to get information nano-seconds quicker so traders can front-run >>>> > (illegal) on the inequity of information. There are such games >>>> > Allan. When people play them in lab conditions knowing they are >>>> > scrutinised they make the social, cooperative choices - fix a game >>>> > where they think they aren't being scrutinised and they cheat. >>>> >>>> > On 15 Nov, 04:51, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >> The business model is going to need be one for the betterment of society >>>> >> rather than just for the desires of self and wealth. It is okay to have >>>> >> wealth when it is used to improve and provide for people , yet you can >>>> >> not >>>> >> gain wealth at the expense of other especially the poor. >>>> >>>> >> Maybe a game can be devised that teaches social awareness rather than >>>> >> self. >>>> >> Allan >>>> >>>> >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light >>>> >> On Nov 14, 2012 5:40 PM, "archytas" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >> > Massive Open Online Courses (MOOC). I promoted the idea that most of >>>> >> > what is done in classrooms after 13 should be replaced by online >>>> >> > programmes in a project in the 1980s. The technology lagged the idea >>>> >> > then - and the idea wasn't much more than that of students reading-up >>>> >> > before lectures and doing hard problem solving in tutorials. We were >>>> >> > developing interactive role-play videos at the time. It was very >>>> >> > expensive and the technology not up to speed. A CD burner cost around >>>> >> > $30K in today's money. >>>> >>>> >> > In fact, mainstream university education outside science went >>>> >> > backwards to more and more formal teaching and death by Powerpoint - >>>> >> > it was what lecturers were trained to do. The MOOC model is now >>>> >> > getting stronger and Bill Gates is investing through bis trust. >>>> >>>> >> > One project I'd love to have a go at is to produce video games that >>>> >> > teach basics from cell biology to business. Cell biology lends itself >>>> >> > to science fiction. Whilst cells are tiny the scale of what goes on >>>> >> > in them and their structures are 'Star Wars'. One could devise a game >>>> >> > based in virus attack and the 'arms wars' of co-evolution. My >>>> >> > business game would probably be based on Al Capone. You can write the >>>> >> > things in hypertext with lots of links to knowledge. >>>> >> > The games could probably be written to allow simulated research too - >>>> >> > we have virtual reality labs to teach engineering. >>>> >>>> >> > We could probably write community project simulations too - about, >>>> >> > say, setting up community-based food supply and property building. >>>> >>>> >> > The fundamental idea in this is the embodiment of expert knowledge - >>>> >> > much as we have embodied man artisanal skills in machines. >>>> >>>> >> > The models of education we do have rely on academic forms of learning >>>> >> > only few are much good at. In higher education e have seen the >>>> >> > expansion of this to a massive debt cost. This from Zerohedge >>>> >> > somewhere: >>>> >> > Career Education, when it reported its quarterly financial results, >>>> >> > shed more light on an industry that had ruthlessly taken advantage of >>>> >> > quirks in the American way of funding higher education, and that, even >>>> >> > more insidiously, had preyed on gullible prospective students who were >>>> >> > desperately trying to better their lives. Then it handed the tab to >>>> >> > the taxpayer who couldn’t say no. A perfect scam. And it contributed >>>> >> > to a ruinous mountain of student loans [ Next: Bankruptcy for a whole >>>> >> > Generation]. >>>> >>>> >> > In the halcyon days of 2010, Career Education had $2.09 billion in >>>> >> > annual revenues. Then a free-fall. By September 30, quarterly revenues >>>> >> > hit $333 million. Enrollment was down 23%, in the health education >>>> >> > category 41%. An additional 900 people will be laid off, on top of the >>>> >> > previously announced 1,300. The company will “gradually” close 23 of >>>> >> > its 90 campuses. Red ink is gushing, with no end in sight. The stock >>>> >> > has plunged from $70 in June 2004 to today’s 52-week intraday low of >>>> >> > $2.60. >>>> >>>> >> > Career Education is in good company. The largest player in the >>>> >> > industry, University of Phoenix, which is owned by Apollo Group, is >>>> >> > also getting hammered by scandals and declining revenues. Enrolment >>>> >> > has plummeted from over 400,000 students to 328,000. To halt the >>>> >> > bleeding, it shuttered 115 locations in 30 states. >>>> >>>> >> > Corinthian Colleges got hit as well. One of its specialties was the >>>> >> > Ability-to-Benefit program, under which students without high school >>>> >> > diploma or GED had been receiving student loans and grants to attend >>>> >> > classes though they had virtually no chance of graduating. As of July >>>> >> > 1, 2012, the government shut off the spigot. >>>> >>>> >> > Now scrambling to get back on that gravy train, the school is offering >>>> >> > free GED preparation programs to high-school dropouts, expecting for >>>> >> > “some portion of successful GED completers to enroll” in its >>>> >> > institutions. And it’s trying hard to sign up new students to pocket >>>> >> > their financial aid: marketing and admission expenses were about 25% >>>> >> > of revenues.... “Our mission is to change students’ lives,” the press >>>> >> > release said. >>>> >>>> >> > Corinthian Colleges is selling some campuses and shuttering others, >>>> >> > particularly in California where the crackdown has become more >>>> >> > aggressive. For a reason: the out-of-money state is trying to reign in >>>> >> > the cost of its Cal Grants, a financial aid system that ballooned from >>>> >> > $915 million to $1.6 billion in eight years. >>>> >>>> >> > These schools are facing tighter regulations all around. On the >>>> >> > federal level, the Department of Education, for instance, banned >>>> >> > incentives paid to admissions reps or recruiters for the number of >>>> >> > students they hoodwinked into enrolling. Pressures are rising to get >>>> >> > these schools to prioritize student graduation and job placement, >>>> >> > rather than just grabbing financial-aid money. But, as the financial >>>> >> > results demonstrate, that push blew up their entire business model. >>>> >>>> >> > In its dazzling manner, the for-profit post-secondary education boom >>>> >> > left behind a long trail of wrecked dreams, unfinished or worthless >>>> >> > degrees, wasted time, and a huge pile of student loans resting on the >>>> >> > shoulders of people who were unable to find jobs in the fields they’d >>>> >> > studied and who are now unable to pay back these loans. In the >>>> >> > process, these outfits sucked up taxpayer-funded state and federal >>>> >> > financial aid of all types and made early investors and executives >>>> >> > rich. At their peaks, the stocks were picked up by mutual funds and >>>> >> > were thus sneakily stuffed into well-diversified portfolios and >>>> >> > 401k’s, as recommended by all of Wall Street. Because somebody has got >>>> >> > to buy this stuff on the way down. >>>> >>>> >> > The situation in the UK - where HE is technically public sector, is >>>> >> > little different. I have moved out of undergraduate education to >>>> >> > assessing work-based schemes. This is dreadful - but at least my pay >>>> >> > doesn't rely on putting young people into £40K of debt. There are >>>> >> > young people all over the world in this condition - notably the 'Ant >>>> >> > People' of China - even their expanding economy doesn't provide decent >>>> >> > jobs for graduates. >>>> >>>> >> > My own suspicion is education is not a good thing. I'm an >>>> >> > educationalist so this doesn't make much sense. They key problem is >>>> >> > trying to exploit it through already failing bubsiness models (I'll >>>> >> > leave the typo as it sounds right) - and what scares me is that we are >>>> >> > hoping for salvation through them. >>>> >>>> >> > -- >>>> >>>> > -- >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> ( >> ) >> |_D Allan >> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >> >> >> I am a Natural Airgunner - >> >> Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. >> >> -- >> >> >> > > -- > > >
-- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. I am a Natural Airgunner - Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. --
