I don't think it would be an equal state rigs - just fairer. We don't really know. RP defines "I" and there are alternatives such as "govern-mentality" which allow the I to be bound. I doubt, given animal biology we are even born free. I don't drink much these days - recovery time is too long!
On Dec 19, 7:19 am, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: > I tend to agree with your last paragraph. The best recourse is to use > your boundaries instead of being trapped by them; you also might find > that most individuals would not want to live in such an equal state > anyway. > > On Dec 18, 7:34 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The Test ended as a boring draw and thus series win for England. One > > would not have thought this possible when England went down in the > > first Test - so the series win was a miracle of sorts - partly of > > international organisation as few of our men were born in England. If > > I'm interested at all these days it's to do with 'the truer word never > > spoke' and our bondage to farcical ideologies of not being able to do > > things. I played in two or three losing teams that grew to take on > > all-comers without much change in personnel. There were no > > inspirational speeches (well there were - but we laughed at them). > > Winning in sport isn't much of a social model as it just changes who > > the losers are - but we could make something of the spirit of 'can do' > > in place of current sweeping of real issues under the carpet. I'm not > > talking of a 'jock mentality' - that was common in the losing stage - > > it's more to do with recognising how to contribute to the team and how > > to do those things that facilitate others, feel good about that and > > encourage it. > > > Part of our bondage is to do with what we consider winning to be and > > managerial clowns who want to inspire their companies to be the > > Manchester United of their commercial sector. This misses the fact > > that we'd be much better off with loads more people playing soccer > > instead of watching vastly over-paid freaks who have never done a > > day's work in their lives. The story is always the same - 'global > > competition' means we have to pay vast fees to have Man U, the > > banksters, coffee shops and hotel chains who evade tax (legally > > because we are such mugs - and in massive contradiction to espoused > > ideologies and what is imposed on the rest of us) - or the players > > will go elsewhere - and we are so useless we can't sell better coffee > > and butties than Starwucks. The first bondage we can't look in the > > eye is libidinal - forced on us because we can't restrain the > > libidinal economy. This is essentially bondage to simplistic notions > > of cause and effect and not seeing the wood for the trees. We have > > police and law because of bandits - yet can't apply this reasoning to > > financial services and are subject to nightmare threats made real > > through income deprivation, poverty and unemployment. It's time (one > > can only say with a hollow laugh) for change. > > > Anyone who fears the social engineering that might allow cultural > > change for the better should not speak before looking at how we are > > being engineered by the current financial system and the way it places > > ownership and rents into a few hands - liberalism is, in fact, massive > > engineering and a politburo rather than a free alternative. I'll > > believe we have an attempt at freedom when I can choose to work in a > > cooperative zone in which we are all in control of the means of > > production and wealth distribution. Liberalism is so scared of this > > we aren't allowed to try. We are allowed spiritual reflection - > > presumably because this is known to be fruitless. > > > On Dec 16, 1:23 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I suspect we pre-select defeat in > > > believing the condition impossible. > > > > A truer word was never spoke. I suspect we often do, by rote, never > > > knowing the limitations we, ourselves, impose in the process. > > > > On Dec 16, 3:19 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Slip and Gruff are missed. Watched a Cronenberg film on Jung and > > > > Freud last night - a bit limper than Japanese knots Don. Here we are > > > > clinging to a rock with no real idea of where we come from, > > > > constrained by the speed of light (owing to the role of momentum in E > > > > = mc2 and right angled triangles) and a biology that collapses in the > > > > absence of gravity, has us slaves to genes and algorithms of an > > > > information world that arises when chemicals get together. The > > > > insights of science debunk myths of origin for what they are - myths - > > > > and yet knowing the chains of illusion seems little help in getting > > > > beyond them. We could be happier not knowing in the ignorant bliss > > > > that waits for mass extinction not knowing it comes. Politicians can > > > > still get away with urging us to be proud of our nations (of the > > > > Britain and USA using concentration camps in Southern Africa and the > > > > Philippines around 1900 - the vile murders in the Congo originating in > > > > Berlin meetings in the 1860s that continue today in imperialism's > > > > changed form?). We are bound by needs to make livings - something > > > > technology has probably rendered unnecessary but we are still kept in > > > > ideological shackles as surely as women caged in black bags. > > > > > There has to be more than this RP. The spiritual turns with the > > > > material and I'm not sure either has to 'come first'. England look > > > > like winning the Test series in India. The game is now ultimately > > > > dull with a day and a half to go and all of India praying for a > > > > miracle. I suspect rigsy and I would be plotting sight-seeing on our > > > > way out through the beer tent and cooling gin had she been unwise > > > > enough to venture forth to sample the cultural delights of such old > > > > colonialism! We'd just be hearing the Indian roar as the ball starts > > > > to spin and the English captain is victim of a bad umpiring decision > > > > not subject to technological review. We'd still leave - there is only > > > > so much cricket one can force on friends. Relief from northern > > > > hemisphere weather would be good though rigs. I sense we are waiting > > > > for a cultural-spiritual miracle as likely as one on the flat pitch in > > > > Nagpur. I suspect our bombardment with trivia is the problem Don. > > > > Much as i can imagine us together in a heroic last wicket stand > > > > thwarting the guile of India's spinners (the first ever Test was > > > > between the USA and Canada so you have the pedigree!), I guess the > > > > good guy is the one who changes light bulbs for his old neighbours. > > > > What might we be without material bondage and with religion we could > > > > believe in other than myth RP? I suspect we pre-select defeat in > > > > believing the condition impossible. > > > > > On Dec 15, 3:57 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I know just what you mean.. Eric Clapton is exciting to listen to > > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > ...and here I thought this was going to be a lesson in interesting > > > > > > Japanese > > > > > > knots. Maybe next time. i miss Slipdisc. > > > > > > > I am bound by my morals. Even though i may step outside these > > > > > > boundaries > > > > > > from time to time I generally feel bad about it and try to make > > > > > > amends as > > > > > > i'm capable. I WANT to be the good guy. Problem with kids > > > > > > today(harrumph) is > > > > > > they want to be bad boyzz. It's cooler. > > > > > > > The point on limitations is spot on. i hear a blistering solo from > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > Clapton and am spell bound. BB King I can do all day. Albert too. > > > > > > Clapton > > > > > > is WAAAY outta my league. I don't even try anymore. > > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiNUZTyukC4 > > > > > > > dj > > > > > > > On Saturday, December 15, 2012 6:24:51 AM UTC-6, RP Singh wrote: > > > > > > >> Are we bound to see what we want to see? I am bound by Nature which > > > > > >> consists of my body and brain and other individuals and the > > > > > >> environment surrounding me. > > > > > > >> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 5:45 PM, andrew vecsey > > > > > >> <[email protected]> > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >> > We are bounded by our limitations and desires. In the end we can > > > > > >> > not see > > > > > >> > all > > > > > >> > there is to be seen and we see mainly what we want to see. > > > > > > >> > On Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:51:07 AM UTC+1, RP Singh wrote: > > > > > > >> >> It is I who see , I who hear, I who reason , imagine , > > > > > >> >> understand ; and > > > > > >> >> again it is I who am angry , loving , jealous , and I who act > > > > > >> >> and > > > > > >> >> react. So > > > > > >> >> where is my bondage ??? > > > > > > >> > -- > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > -- > > > > > ( > > > > > ) > > > > > |_D Allan > > > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > > > > > I am a Natural Airgunner - > > > > > > Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --
