There is a difference between bondage and boundaries, RP. On Dec 21, 2:40 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Those who believe in bondage and don't want to do something excuse > themselves with the ' govern mentality ' but the very same people > exhibit aggressive action in other situations. Similarly others who > believe in free-will show a marked passivity in particular areas and > easily rationalize inaction. > > > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:22 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > I don't think it would be an equal state rigs - just fairer. We don't > > really know. RP defines "I" and there are alternatives such as > > "govern-mentality" which allow the I to be bound. I doubt, given > > animal biology we are even born free. I don't drink much these days - > > recovery time is too long! > > > On Dec 19, 7:19 am, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I tend to agree with your last paragraph. The best recourse is to use > >> your boundaries instead of being trapped by them; you also might find > >> that most individuals would not want to live in such an equal state > >> anyway. > > >> On Dec 18, 7:34 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > The Test ended as a boring draw and thus series win for England. One > >> > would not have thought this possible when England went down in the > >> > first Test - so the series win was a miracle of sorts - partly of > >> > international organisation as few of our men were born in England. If > >> > I'm interested at all these days it's to do with 'the truer word never > >> > spoke' and our bondage to farcical ideologies of not being able to do > >> > things. I played in two or three losing teams that grew to take on > >> > all-comers without much change in personnel. There were no > >> > inspirational speeches (well there were - but we laughed at them). > >> > Winning in sport isn't much of a social model as it just changes who > >> > the losers are - but we could make something of the spirit of 'can do' > >> > in place of current sweeping of real issues under the carpet. I'm not > >> > talking of a 'jock mentality' - that was common in the losing stage - > >> > it's more to do with recognising how to contribute to the team and how > >> > to do those things that facilitate others, feel good about that and > >> > encourage it. > > >> > Part of our bondage is to do with what we consider winning to be and > >> > managerial clowns who want to inspire their companies to be the > >> > Manchester United of their commercial sector. This misses the fact > >> > that we'd be much better off with loads more people playing soccer > >> > instead of watching vastly over-paid freaks who have never done a > >> > day's work in their lives. The story is always the same - 'global > >> > competition' means we have to pay vast fees to have Man U, the > >> > banksters, coffee shops and hotel chains who evade tax (legally > >> > because we are such mugs - and in massive contradiction to espoused > >> > ideologies and what is imposed on the rest of us) - or the players > >> > will go elsewhere - and we are so useless we can't sell better coffee > >> > and butties than Starwucks. The first bondage we can't look in the > >> > eye is libidinal - forced on us because we can't restrain the > >> > libidinal economy. This is essentially bondage to simplistic notions > >> > of cause and effect and not seeing the wood for the trees. We have > >> > police and law because of bandits - yet can't apply this reasoning to > >> > financial services and are subject to nightmare threats made real > >> > through income deprivation, poverty and unemployment. It's time (one > >> > can only say with a hollow laugh) for change. > > >> > Anyone who fears the social engineering that might allow cultural > >> > change for the better should not speak before looking at how we are > >> > being engineered by the current financial system and the way it places > >> > ownership and rents into a few hands - liberalism is, in fact, massive > >> > engineering and a politburo rather than a free alternative. I'll > >> > believe we have an attempt at freedom when I can choose to work in a > >> > cooperative zone in which we are all in control of the means of > >> > production and wealth distribution. Liberalism is so scared of this > >> > we aren't allowed to try. We are allowed spiritual reflection - > >> > presumably because this is known to be fruitless. > > >> > On Dec 16, 1:23 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > I suspect we pre-select defeat in > >> > > believing the condition impossible. > > >> > > A truer word was never spoke. I suspect we often do, by rote, never > >> > > knowing the limitations we, ourselves, impose in the process. > > >> > > On Dec 16, 3:19 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > Slip and Gruff are missed. Watched a Cronenberg film on Jung and > >> > > > Freud last night - a bit limper than Japanese knots Don. Here we are > >> > > > clinging to a rock with no real idea of where we come from, > >> > > > constrained by the speed of light (owing to the role of momentum in E > >> > > > = mc2 and right angled triangles) and a biology that collapses in the > >> > > > absence of gravity, has us slaves to genes and algorithms of an > >> > > > information world that arises when chemicals get together. The > >> > > > insights of science debunk myths of origin for what they are - myths > >> > > > - > >> > > > and yet knowing the chains of illusion seems little help in getting > >> > > > beyond them. We could be happier not knowing in the ignorant bliss > >> > > > that waits for mass extinction not knowing it comes. Politicians can > >> > > > still get away with urging us to be proud of our nations (of the > >> > > > Britain and USA using concentration camps in Southern Africa and the > >> > > > Philippines around 1900 - the vile murders in the Congo originating > >> > > > in > >> > > > Berlin meetings in the 1860s that continue today in imperialism's > >> > > > changed form?). We are bound by needs to make livings - something > >> > > > technology has probably rendered unnecessary but we are still kept in > >> > > > ideological shackles as surely as women caged in black bags. > > >> > > > There has to be more than this RP. The spiritual turns with the > >> > > > material and I'm not sure either has to 'come first'. England look > >> > > > like winning the Test series in India. The game is now ultimately > >> > > > dull with a day and a half to go and all of India praying for a > >> > > > miracle. I suspect rigsy and I would be plotting sight-seeing on our > >> > > > way out through the beer tent and cooling gin had she been unwise > >> > > > enough to venture forth to sample the cultural delights of such old > >> > > > colonialism! We'd just be hearing the Indian roar as the ball starts > >> > > > to spin and the English captain is victim of a bad umpiring decision > >> > > > not subject to technological review. We'd still leave - there is > >> > > > only > >> > > > so much cricket one can force on friends. Relief from northern > >> > > > hemisphere weather would be good though rigs. I sense we are waiting > >> > > > for a cultural-spiritual miracle as likely as one on the flat pitch > >> > > > in > >> > > > Nagpur. I suspect our bombardment with trivia is the problem Don. > >> > > > Much as i can imagine us together in a heroic last wicket stand > >> > > > thwarting the guile of India's spinners (the first ever Test was > >> > > > between the USA and Canada so you have the pedigree!), I guess the > >> > > > good guy is the one who changes light bulbs for his old neighbours. > >> > > > What might we be without material bondage and with religion we could > >> > > > believe in other than myth RP? I suspect we pre-select defeat in > >> > > > believing the condition impossible. > > >> > > > On Dec 15, 3:57 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > I know just what you mean.. Eric Clapton is exciting to listen to > >> > > > > Allan > > >> > > > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> > >> > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > ...and here I thought this was going to be a lesson in > >> > > > > > interesting Japanese > >> > > > > > knots. Maybe next time. i miss Slipdisc. > > >> > > > > > I am bound by my morals. Even though i may step outside these > >> > > > > > boundaries > >> > > > > > from time to time I generally feel bad about it and try to make > >> > > > > > amends as > >> > > > > > i'm capable. I WANT to be the good guy. Problem with kids > >> > > > > > today(harrumph) is > >> > > > > > they want to be bad boyzz. It's cooler. > > >> > > > > > The point on limitations is spot on. i hear a blistering solo > >> > > > > > from Eric > >> > > > > > Clapton and am spell bound. BB King I can do all day. Albert > >> > > > > > too. Clapton > >> > > > > > is WAAAY outta my league. I don't even try anymore. > > >> > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiNUZTyukC4 > > >> > > > > > dj > > >> > > > > > On Saturday, December 15, 2012 6:24:51 AM UTC-6, RP Singh wrote: > > >> > > > > >> Are we bound to see what we want to see? I am bound by Nature > >> > > > > >> which > >> > > > > >> consists of my body and brain and other individuals and the > >> > > > > >> environment surrounding me. > > >> > > > > >> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 5:45 PM, andrew vecsey > >> > > > > >> <[email protected]> > >> > > > > >> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > We are bounded by our limitations and desires. In the end we > >> > > > > >> > can not see > >> > > > > >> > all > >> > > > > >> > there is to be seen and we see mainly what we want to see. > > >> > > > > >> > On Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:51:07 AM UTC+1, RP Singh > >> > > > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> >> It is I who see , I who hear, I who reason , imagine , > >> > > > > >> >> understand ; and > >> > > > > >> >> again it is I who am angry , loving , jealous , and I who > >> > > > > >> >> act and > >> > > > > >> >> react. So > >> > > > > >> >> where is my bondage ??? > > >> > > > > >> > -- > > >> > > > > > -- > > >> > > > > -- > >> > > > > ( > >> > > > > ) > >> > > > > |_D Allan > > >> > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > >> > > > > I am a Natural Airgunner - > > >> > > > > Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.- Hide quoted text - > > >> > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
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