Boundaries are limitations that we are free to try to overcome. Bondages are limitations that are imposed on us.
On Friday, December 21, 2012 5:25:52 PM UTC+1, RP Singh wrote: > > They are talking about chemical castration of the rapists in the Delhi > gang-rape case , an admission of a high sexual drive in certain cases > --- there are , of course , many other factors involved in such cases, > but nevertheless , it seems to point towards biological and > psychological determinants of human behavior. The boundaries that you > talk of Rigs are visible to all , but when there are boundaries within > boundaries it becomes bondage. > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 7:46 PM, rigs <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > There is a difference between bondage and boundaries, RP. > > > > On Dec 21, 2:40 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Those who believe in bondage and don't want to do something excuse > >> themselves with the ' govern mentality ' but the very same people > >> exhibit aggressive action in other situations. Similarly others who > >> believe in free-will show a marked passivity in particular areas and > >> easily rationalize inaction. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:22 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > I don't think it would be an equal state rigs - just fairer. We > don't > >> > really know. RP defines "I" and there are alternatives such as > >> > "govern-mentality" which allow the I to be bound. I doubt, given > >> > animal biology we are even born free. I don't drink much these days > - > >> > recovery time is too long! > >> > >> > On Dec 19, 7:19 am, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> I tend to agree with your last paragraph. The best recourse is to > use > >> >> your boundaries instead of being trapped by them; you also might > find > >> >> that most individuals would not want to live in such an equal state > >> >> anyway. > >> > >> >> On Dec 18, 7:34 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> >> > The Test ended as a boring draw and thus series win for England. > One > >> >> > would not have thought this possible when England went down in the > >> >> > first Test - so the series win was a miracle of sorts - partly of > >> >> > international organisation as few of our men were born in England. > If > >> >> > I'm interested at all these days it's to do with 'the truer word > never > >> >> > spoke' and our bondage to farcical ideologies of not being able to > do > >> >> > things. I played in two or three losing teams that grew to take > on > >> >> > all-comers without much change in personnel. There were no > >> >> > inspirational speeches (well there were - but we laughed at them). > >> >> > Winning in sport isn't much of a social model as it just changes > who > >> >> > the losers are - but we could make something of the spirit of 'can > do' > >> >> > in place of current sweeping of real issues under the carpet. I'm > not > >> >> > talking of a 'jock mentality' - that was common in the losing > stage - > >> >> > it's more to do with recognising how to contribute to the team and > how > >> >> > to do those things that facilitate others, feel good about that > and > >> >> > encourage it. > >> > >> >> > Part of our bondage is to do with what we consider winning to be > and > >> >> > managerial clowns who want to inspire their companies to be the > >> >> > Manchester United of their commercial sector. This misses the > fact > >> >> > that we'd be much better off with loads more people playing soccer > >> >> > instead of watching vastly over-paid freaks who have never done a > >> >> > day's work in their lives. The story is always the same - 'global > >> >> > competition' means we have to pay vast fees to have Man U, the > >> >> > banksters, coffee shops and hotel chains who evade tax (legally > >> >> > because we are such mugs - and in massive contradiction to > espoused > >> >> > ideologies and what is imposed on the rest of us) - or the players > >> >> > will go elsewhere - and we are so useless we can't sell better > coffee > >> >> > and butties than Starwucks. The first bondage we can't look in > the > >> >> > eye is libidinal - forced on us because we can't restrain the > >> >> > libidinal economy. This is essentially bondage to simplistic > notions > >> >> > of cause and effect and not seeing the wood for the trees. We > have > >> >> > police and law because of bandits - yet can't apply this reasoning > to > >> >> > financial services and are subject to nightmare threats made real > >> >> > through income deprivation, poverty and unemployment. It's time > (one > >> >> > can only say with a hollow laugh) for change. > >> > >> >> > Anyone who fears the social engineering that might allow cultural > >> >> > change for the better should not speak before looking at how we > are > >> >> > being engineered by the current financial system and the way it > places > >> >> > ownership and rents into a few hands - liberalism is, in fact, > massive > >> >> > engineering and a politburo rather than a free alternative. I'll > >> >> > believe we have an attempt at freedom when I can choose to work in > a > >> >> > cooperative zone in which we are all in control of the means of > >> >> > production and wealth distribution. Liberalism is so scared of > this > >> >> > we aren't allowed to try. We are allowed spiritual reflection - > >> >> > presumably because this is known to be fruitless. > >> > >> >> > On Dec 16, 1:23 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> >> > > I suspect we pre-select defeat in > >> >> > > believing the condition impossible. > >> > >> >> > > A truer word was never spoke. I suspect we often do, by rote, > never > >> >> > > knowing the limitations we, ourselves, impose in the process. > >> > >> >> > > On Dec 16, 3:19 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> >> > > > Slip and Gruff are missed. Watched a Cronenberg film on Jung > and > >> >> > > > Freud last night - a bit limper than Japanese knots Don. Here > we are > >> >> > > > clinging to a rock with no real idea of where we come from, > >> >> > > > constrained by the speed of light (owing to the role of > momentum in E > >> >> > > > = mc2 and right angled triangles) and a biology that collapses > in the > >> >> > > > absence of gravity, has us slaves to genes and algorithms of > an > >> >> > > > information world that arises when chemicals get together. > The > >> >> > > > insights of science debunk myths of origin for what they are - > myths - > >> >> > > > and yet knowing the chains of illusion seems little help in > getting > >> >> > > > beyond them. We could be happier not knowing in the ignorant > bliss > >> >> > > > that waits for mass extinction not knowing it comes. > Politicians can > >> >> > > > still get away with urging us to be proud of our nations (of > the > >> >> > > > Britain and USA using concentration camps in Southern Africa > and the > >> >> > > > Philippines around 1900 - the vile murders in the Congo > originating in > >> >> > > > Berlin meetings in the 1860s that continue today in > imperialism's > >> >> > > > changed form?). We are bound by needs to make livings - > something > >> >> > > > technology has probably rendered unnecessary but we are still > kept in > >> >> > > > ideological shackles as surely as women caged in black bags. > >> > >> >> > > > There has to be more than this RP. The spiritual turns with > the > >> >> > > > material and I'm not sure either has to 'come first'. England > look > >> >> > > > like winning the Test series in India. The game is now > ultimately > >> >> > > > dull with a day and a half to go and all of India praying for > a > >> >> > > > miracle. I suspect rigsy and I would be plotting sight-seeing > on our > >> >> > > > way out through the beer tent and cooling gin had she been > unwise > >> >> > > > enough to venture forth to sample the cultural delights of > such old > >> >> > > > colonialism! We'd just be hearing the Indian roar as the ball > starts > >> >> > > > to spin and the English captain is victim of a bad umpiring > decision > >> >> > > > not subject to technological review. We'd still leave - there > is only > >> >> > > > so much cricket one can force on friends. Relief from > northern > >> >> > > > hemisphere weather would be good though rigs. I sense we are > waiting > >> >> > > > for a cultural-spiritual miracle as likely as one on the flat > pitch in > >> >> > > > Nagpur. I suspect our bombardment with trivia is the problem > Don. > >> >> > > > Much as i can imagine us together in a heroic last wicket > stand > >> >> > > > thwarting the guile of India's spinners (the first ever Test > was > >> >> > > > between the USA and Canada so you have the pedigree!), I guess > the > >> >> > > > good guy is the one who changes light bulbs for his old > neighbours. > >> >> > > > What might we be without material bondage and with religion we > could > >> >> > > > believe in other than myth RP? I suspect we pre-select > defeat in > >> >> > > > believing the condition impossible. > >> > >> >> > > > On Dec 15, 3:57 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> >> > > > > I know just what you mean.. Eric Clapton is exciting to > listen to > >> >> > > > > Allan > >> > >> >> > > > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Don Johnson < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > > > > ...and here I thought this was going to be a lesson in > interesting Japanese > >> >> > > > > > knots. Maybe next time. i miss Slipdisc. > >> > >> >> > > > > > I am bound by my morals. Even though i may step outside > these boundaries > >> >> > > > > > from time to time I generally feel bad about it and try to > make amends as > >> >> > > > > > i'm capable. I WANT to be the good guy. Problem with kids > today(harrumph) is > >> >> > > > > > they want to be bad boyzz. It's cooler. > >> > >> >> > > > > > The point on limitations is spot on. i hear a blistering > solo from Eric > >> >> > > > > > Clapton and am spell bound. BB King I can do all day. > Albert too. Clapton > >> >> > > > > > is WAAAY outta my league. I don't even try anymore. > >> > >> >> > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiNUZTyukC4 > >> > >> >> > > > > > dj > >> > >> >> > > > > > On Saturday, December 15, 2012 6:24:51 AM UTC-6, RP Singh > wrote: > >> > >> >> > > > > >> Are we bound to see what we want to see? I am bound by > Nature which > >> >> > > > > >> consists of my body and brain and other individuals and > the > >> >> > > > > >> environment surrounding me. > >> > >> >> > > > > >> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 5:45 PM, andrew vecsey < > [email protected]> > >> >> > > > > >> wrote: > >> >> > > > > >> > We are bounded by our limitations and desires. In the > end we can not see > >> >> > > > > >> > all > >> >> > > > > >> > there is to be seen and we see mainly what we want to > see. > >> > >> >> > > > > >> > On Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:51:07 AM UTC+1, RP > Singh wrote: > >> > >> >> > > > > >> >> It is I who see , I who hear, I who reason , imagine , > understand ; and > >> >> > > > > >> >> again it is I who am angry , loving , jealous , and I > who act and > >> >> > > > > >> >> react. So > >> >> > > > > >> >> where is my bondage ??? > >> > >> >> > > > > >> > -- > >> > >> >> > > > > > -- > >> > >> >> > > > > -- > >> >> > > > > ( > >> >> > > > > ) > >> >> > > > > |_D Allan > >> > >> >> > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > >> > >> >> > > > > I am a Natural Airgunner - > >> > >> >> > > > > Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.- Hide quoted > text - > >> > >> >> > - Show quoted text - > >> > >> > -- > >> > >> ... > >> > >> read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > >> > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > > > > > > --
