Sue has abandoned the car in a supermarket car park - I'll walk Max up there and dig it out soon. Tempted to leave it until the rain comes! I think what we haven't recognised socially is that we can have so much more - I hope technology will bring this recognition - but also think we need something like ECON4 - an economics based on 'not burning the planet' and straightforward accounting. I think we know what the right things to do are but are scared of our impotence - understanding more of why might help.
On Jan 26, 10:14 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > In present tense it means acknowledging the massive amount of illnesses, > deaths and general deformation of humanness because of a protestant work > ethics that serves very much the one and less the many. I hope you can > decipher my shorthand by now. > > 2013/1/26 Allan H <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > Yes and no one is more or less past tense the other is on going, > > one killing was based off racial superiority,, the other killing is > > based off religious superiority, > > Whats the difference.. ?? > > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The other serving as a better example of wickedness is a classic, Allan. > > > > 2013/1/26 Allan H <[email protected]> > > > >> A better example Riggs and sadly enough is Islam in today's world.. > > >> This is evidenced in all the news reports of the day. > > > >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 2:43 AM, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > The Nazis seem an obvious example of fairly recent history- that's all > > >> > I meant- and history is littered with examples as explicated by > > >> > Archytas. It's as if the majority gets caught up in a wave- to use > > >> > Molly's image. Though there may be concrete reasons at the base, it is > > >> > often an irrational reaction. My point is that when dissent is > > >> > silenced, democracy is in trouble. > > > >> > On Jan 25, 1:25 pm, Gabby <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> Ah, rigs. :( Where is Molly by the way? > > >> >> Let's give the majority opinion problem a hearty positive spin and > > say: > > >> >> the > > >> >> majority of Germans is happy that the majority of Americans is > > happily > > >> >> forming their opinions in America and exchange it over there. :) > > > >> >> On Friday, January 25, 2013 2:03:29 PM UTC+1, rigs wrote: > > > >> >> > And very often their very existence does depend upon going along > > with > > >> >> > the majority. However, one feature of democracy is that of dissent > > >> >> > but > > >> >> > it can be risky esp. if the majority has a mob mentality. When you > > >> >> > think of the average classroom it is obvious that the pattern is to > > >> >> > echo rather than question and the same applies to other areas of > > >> >> > life. > > >> >> > It is just as likely that the group can be corrupt so "membership" > > >> >> > can > > >> >> > be a doom- ex: Nazis, etc. > > > >> >> > On Jan 25, 1:43 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > If there is one concept on Earth that has been the absolute bane > > of > > >> >> > > human existence (besides global elitism), it would have to be the > > >> >> > > concept of the “majority opinion”. The moment men began refusing > > >> >> > > to > > >> >> > > develop their own world views without first asking “What does > > >> >> > > everyone > > >> >> > > else think?”, they set themselves up for an endless future of > > >> >> > > failures. We are, of course, very social beings, and our natures > > >> >> > > drive us to seek those of like mind and spirit in what some might > > >> >> > > call > > >> >> > > a “tribal imperative”. However, this imperative to organize is > > >> >> > > often > > >> >> > > manipulated by those who understand the psychological mechanisms > > >> >> > > behind it. Oligarchs and tyrants abuse and exploit the inherent > > >> >> > > social natures of the people in order to fool them into > > abandoning > > >> >> > > their individuality for the sake of the group, or some abstract > > and > > >> >> > > dishonest ideal. When successful, the organization of a culture > > >> >> > > becomes bitter and twisted, changing from a tribe or a community > > of > > >> >> > > sovereign individuals, into a nightmare collective of soulless > > >> >> > > sheep. > > > >> >> > > Human beings desperately want to belong, but, they also > > desperately > > >> >> > > want to understand the environment around them. Often, the > > desire > > >> >> > > to > > >> >> > > belong and the desire to know the truth conflict. In some > > >> >> > > societies, > > >> >> > > in order to be accepted, one must give up on his search for truth > > >> >> > > and > > >> >> > > avoid eliciting the anger of others. This causes a severe mental > > >> >> > > and > > >> >> > > emotional disturbance within a population. In order to reconcile > > >> >> > > their conflicting needs within a system that does not nurture > > their > > >> >> > > quest for transparency, they tend to unconsciously cling to the > > >> >> > > “majority view” as if their very existence depends on it. The > > idea > > >> >> > > of > > >> >> > > the majority view or the “mainstream”, gives people the sense > > that > > >> >> > > they are a part of a group, and at the same time, gives them the > > >> >> > > illusion of being informed. > > > >> >> > > The above from Zerohedge - is it right? What does it say about > > our > > >> >> > > general ability to argue rationally? I agree with what is said > > >> >> > > here - > > >> >> > > yet believe it suggests we need a radical alternative of > > education > > >> >> > > as > > >> >> > > we have experienced it.- Hide quoted text - > > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > >> > -- > > > >> -- > > >> ( > > >> ) > > >> |_D Allan > > > >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > > >> Of course I talk to myself, > > >> Sometimes I need expert advice.. > > > >> -- > > > > -- > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > |_D Allan > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > > Of course I talk to myself, > > Sometimes I need expert advice.. > > > -- --
