Of course, I meant herd mentality. Now, off to work! On Jan 27, 10:00 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > before the judgments fly any further, a differentiation between heard > mentality and majority thinking might be in order. It is possible > there there is truth in what Andrew and Allan are saying, but gross > generalization, paradoxically, leads to a narrow view, one that is > unable to consider another. Heard mentality can indeed, be dangerous, > and a great manipulator can take advantage. History bears this out on > many occasions. > > On Jan 27, 4:35 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > what ever andrew > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:55 AM, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > Except when the majority opinion happens to agree with your own opinion. > > > In > > > my own personal opinion, anyone who thinks that the majority opinion is > > > mindless shows clear signs of arrogance, vanity and disrespect. All > > > opinions > > > should be respected. Is that not the basis of democracy? > > > > On Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:44:57 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: > > > >> the majority opinion is the easiest one to manipulate as it has no > > >> idea what it is. because of that it is the easiest to control being > > >> both mindless, disorientated with no where to go and no idea of what > > >> it believes as well as willing to believe the comforting lie rather > > >> tan the simple truth. > > > >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:57 PM, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > >> > The majority opinion is the most FAIR, most JUST, most > > >> > comprehensive.... > > >> > opinion. You can not call it the best, the most correct, or the most > > >> > moral > > >> > etc...because those evaluations are personal. Majority opinion is not > > >> > personal. > > > >> > On Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:15:25 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote: > > > >> >> .......I think we know > > >> >> what the right things to do are but are scared of our impotence - > > >> >> understanding more of why might help. > > > >> >> On Jan 26, 10:14 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > In present tense it means acknowledging the massive amount of > > >> >> > illnesses, > > >> >> > deaths and general deformation of humanness because of a protestant > > >> >> > work > > >> >> > ethics that serves very much the one and less the many. I hope you > > >> >> > can > > >> >> > decipher my shorthand by now. > > > >> >> > 2013/1/26 Allan H <[email protected]> > > > >> >> > > Yes and no one is more or less past tense the other is on going, > > >> >> > > one killing was based off racial superiority,, the other killing > > >> >> > > is > > >> >> > > based off religious superiority, > > >> >> > > Whats the difference.. ?? > > > >> >> > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM, gabbydott <[email protected]> > > >> >> > > wrote: > > >> >> > > > The other serving as a better example of wickedness is a > > >> >> > > > classic, > > >> >> > > > Allan. > > > >> >> > > > 2013/1/26 Allan H <[email protected]> > > > >> >> > > >> A better example Riggs and sadly enough is Islam in today's > > >> >> > > >> world.. > > >> >> > > >> This is evidenced in all the news reports of the day. > > > >> >> > > >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 2:43 AM, rigs <[email protected]> > > >> >> > > >> wrote: > > >> >> > > >> > The Nazis seem an obvious example of fairly recent history- > > >> >> > > >> > that's all > > >> >> > > >> > I meant- and history is littered with examples as explicated > > >> >> > > >> > by > > >> >> > > >> > Archytas. It's as if the majority gets caught up in a wave- > > >> >> > > >> > to > > >> >> > > >> > use > > >> >> > > >> > Molly's image. Though there may be concrete reasons at the > > >> >> > > >> > base, > > >> >> > > >> > it is > > >> >> > > >> > often an irrational reaction. My point is that when dissent > > >> >> > > >> > is > > >> >> > > >> > silenced, democracy is in trouble. > > > >> >> > > >> > On Jan 25, 1:25 pm, Gabby <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> Ah, rigs. :( Where is Molly by the way? > > >> >> > > >> >> Let's give the majority opinion problem a hearty positive > > >> >> > > >> >> spin > > >> >> > > >> >> and > > >> >> > > say: > > >> >> > > >> >> the > > >> >> > > >> >> majority of Germans is happy that the majority of Americans > > >> >> > > >> >> is > > >> >> > > happily > > >> >> > > >> >> forming their opinions in America and exchange it over > > >> >> > > >> >> there. > > >> >> > > >> >> :) > > > >> >> > > >> >> On Friday, January 25, 2013 2:03:29 PM UTC+1, rigs wrote: > > > >> >> > > >> >> > And very often their very existence does depend upon going > > >> >> > > >> >> > along > > >> >> > > with > > >> >> > > >> >> > the majority. However, one feature of democracy is that of > > >> >> > > >> >> > dissent > > >> >> > > >> >> > but > > >> >> > > >> >> > it can be risky esp. if the majority has a mob mentality. > > >> >> > > >> >> > When > > >> >> > > >> >> > you > > >> >> > > >> >> > think of the average classroom it is obvious that the > > >> >> > > >> >> > pattern > > >> >> > > >> >> > is to > > >> >> > > >> >> > echo rather than question and the same applies to other > > >> >> > > >> >> > areas > > >> >> > > >> >> > of > > >> >> > > >> >> > life. > > >> >> > > >> >> > It is just as likely that the group can be corrupt so > > >> >> > > >> >> > "membership" > > >> >> > > >> >> > can > > >> >> > > >> >> > be a doom- ex: Nazis, etc. > > > >> >> > > >> >> > On Jan 25, 1:43 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> > > If there is one concept on Earth that has been the > > >> >> > > >> >> > > absolute > > >> >> > > >> >> > > bane > > >> >> > > of > > >> >> > > >> >> > > human existence (besides global elitism), it would have > > >> >> > > >> >> > > to > > >> >> > > >> >> > > be the > > >> >> > > >> >> > > concept of the “majority opinion”. The moment men began > > >> >> > > >> >> > > refusing > > >> >> > > >> >> > > to > > >> >> > > >> >> > > develop their own world views without first asking “What > > >> >> > > >> >> > > does > > >> >> > > >> >> > > everyone > > >> >> > > >> >> > > else think?”, they set themselves up for an endless > > >> >> > > >> >> > > future > > >> >> > > >> >> > > of > > >> >> > > >> >> > > failures. We are, of course, very social beings, and > > >> >> > > >> >> > > our > > >> >> > > >> >> > > natures > > >> >> > > >> >> > > drive us to seek those of like mind and spirit in what > > >> >> > > >> >> > > some > > >> >> > > >> >> > > might > > >> >> > > >> >> > > call > > >> >> > > >> >> > > a “tribal imperative”. However, this imperative to > > >> >> > > >> >> > > organize > > >> >> > > >> >> > > is > > >> >> > > >> >> > > often > > >> >> > > >> >> > > manipulated by those who understand the psychological > > >> >> > > >> >> > > mechanisms > > >> >> > > >> >> > > behind it. Oligarchs and tyrants abuse and exploit the > > >> >> > > >> >> > > inherent > > >> >> > > >> >> > > social natures of the people in order to fool them into > > >> >> > > abandoning > > >> >> > > >> >> > > their individuality for the sake of the group, or some > > >> >> > > >> >> > > abstract > > >> >> > > and > > >> >> > > >> >> > > dishonest ideal. When successful, the organization of a > > >> >> > > >> >> > > culture > > >> >> > > >> >> > > becomes bitter and twisted, changing from a tribe or a > > >> >> > > >> >> > > community > > >> >> > > of > > >> >> > > >> >> > > sovereign individuals, into a nightmare collective of > > >> >> > > >> >> > > soulless > > >> >> > > >> >> > > sheep. > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > Human beings desperately want to belong, but, they also > > >> >> > > desperately > > >> >> > > >> >> > > want to understand the environment around them. Often, > > >> >> > > >> >> > > the > > >> >> > > desire > > >> >> > > >> >> > > to > > >> >> > > >> >> > > belong and the desire to know the truth conflict. In > > >> >> > > >> >> > > some > > >> >> > > >> >> > > societies, > > >> >> > > >> >> > > in order to be accepted, one must give up on his search > > >> >> > > >> >> > > for > > >> >> > > >> >> > > truth > > >> >> > > >> >> > > and > > >> >> > > >> >> > > avoid eliciting the anger of others. This causes a > > >> >> > > >> >> > > severe > > >> >> > > >> >> > > mental > > >> >> > > >> >> > > and > > >> >> > > >> >> > > emotional disturbance within a population. In order to > > >> >> > > >> >> > > reconcile > > >> >> > > >> >> > > their conflicting needs within a system that does not > > >> >> > > >> >> > > nurture > > >> >> > > their > > >> >> > > >> >> > > quest for transparency, they tend to unconsciously cling > > >> >> > > >> >> > > to > > >> >> > > >> >> > > the > > >> >> > > >> >> > > “majority view” as if their very existence depends on > > >> >> > > >> >> > > it. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > The > > >> >> > > idea > > >> >> > > >> >> > > of > > >> >> > > >> >> > > the majority view or the “mainstream”, gives people the > > >> >> > > >> >> > > sense > > >> >> > > that > > >> >> > > >> >> > > they are a part of a group, and at the same time, gives > > >> >> > > >> >> > > them > > >> >> > > >> >> > > the > > >> >> > > >> >> > > illusion of being informed. > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > The above from Zerohedge - is it right? What does it > > >> >> > > >> >> > > say > > >> >> > > >> >> > > about > > >> >> > > our > > >> >> > > >> >> > > general ability to argue rationally? I agree with what > > >> >> > > >> >> > > is > > >> >> > > >> >> > > said > > >> >> > > >> >> > > here - > > >> >> > > >> >> > > yet believe it suggests we need a radical alternative of > > >> >> > > education > > >> >> > > >> >> > > as > > >> >> > > >> >> > > we have experienced it.- Hide quoted text - > > > >> >> > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > >> >> > > >> > -- > > > >> >> > > >> -- > > >> >> > > >> ( > > >> >> > > >> ) > > >> >> > > >> |_D Allan > > > >> >> > > >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > > >> >> > > >> Of course I talk to myself, > > >> >> > > >> Sometimes I need expert advice.. > > > >> >> > > >> -- > > > >> >> > > > -- > > > >> >> > > -- > > >> >> > > ( > > >> >> > > ) > > >> >> > > |_D Allan > > > >> >> > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > > >> >> > > Of course I talk to myself, > > >> >> > > Sometimes I need expert advice.. > > > >> >> > > -- > > > >> > -- > > > >> -- > > >> ( > > >> ) > > >> |_D Allan > > ... > > read more »
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