what ever andrew On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:55 AM, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> wrote: > Except when the majority opinion happens to agree with your own opinion. In > my own personal opinion, anyone who thinks that the majority opinion is > mindless shows clear signs of arrogance, vanity and disrespect. All opinions > should be respected. Is that not the basis of democracy? > > On Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:44:57 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> the majority opinion is the easiest one to manipulate as it has no >> idea what it is. because of that it is the easiest to control being >> both mindless, disorientated with no where to go and no idea of what >> it believes as well as willing to believe the comforting lie rather >> tan the simple truth. >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:57 PM, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > The majority opinion is the most FAIR, most JUST, most comprehensive.... >> > opinion. You can not call it the best, the most correct, or the most >> > moral >> > etc...because those evaluations are personal. Majority opinion is not >> > personal. >> > >> > On Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:15:25 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote: >> >> >> >> .......I think we know >> >> what the right things to do are but are scared of our impotence - >> >> understanding more of why might help. >> >> >> >> On Jan 26, 10:14 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > In present tense it means acknowledging the massive amount of >> >> > illnesses, >> >> > deaths and general deformation of humanness because of a protestant >> >> > work >> >> > ethics that serves very much the one and less the many. I hope you >> >> > can >> >> > decipher my shorthand by now. >> >> > >> >> > 2013/1/26 Allan H <[email protected]> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Yes and no one is more or less past tense the other is on going, >> >> > > one killing was based off racial superiority,, the other killing >> >> > > is >> >> > > based off religious superiority, >> >> > > Whats the difference.. ?? >> >> > >> >> > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM, gabbydott <[email protected]> >> >> > > wrote: >> >> > > > The other serving as a better example of wickedness is a classic, >> >> > > > Allan. >> >> > >> >> > > > 2013/1/26 Allan H <[email protected]> >> >> > >> >> > > >> A better example Riggs and sadly enough is Islam in today's >> >> > > >> world.. >> >> > > >> This is evidenced in all the news reports of the day. >> >> > >> >> > > >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 2:43 AM, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > >> > The Nazis seem an obvious example of fairly recent history- >> >> > > >> > that's all >> >> > > >> > I meant- and history is littered with examples as explicated >> >> > > >> > by >> >> > > >> > Archytas. It's as if the majority gets caught up in a wave- to >> >> > > >> > use >> >> > > >> > Molly's image. Though there may be concrete reasons at the >> >> > > >> > base, >> >> > > >> > it is >> >> > > >> > often an irrational reaction. My point is that when dissent is >> >> > > >> > silenced, democracy is in trouble. >> >> > >> >> > > >> > On Jan 25, 1:25 pm, Gabby <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> Ah, rigs. :( Where is Molly by the way? >> >> > > >> >> Let's give the majority opinion problem a hearty positive >> >> > > >> >> spin >> >> > > >> >> and >> >> > > say: >> >> > > >> >> the >> >> > > >> >> majority of Germans is happy that the majority of Americans >> >> > > >> >> is >> >> > > happily >> >> > > >> >> forming their opinions in America and exchange it over there. >> >> > > >> >> :) >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> On Friday, January 25, 2013 2:03:29 PM UTC+1, rigs wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > And very often their very existence does depend upon going >> >> > > >> >> > along >> >> > > with >> >> > > >> >> > the majority. However, one feature of democracy is that of >> >> > > >> >> > dissent >> >> > > >> >> > but >> >> > > >> >> > it can be risky esp. if the majority has a mob mentality. >> >> > > >> >> > When >> >> > > >> >> > you >> >> > > >> >> > think of the average classroom it is obvious that the >> >> > > >> >> > pattern >> >> > > >> >> > is to >> >> > > >> >> > echo rather than question and the same applies to other >> >> > > >> >> > areas >> >> > > >> >> > of >> >> > > >> >> > life. >> >> > > >> >> > It is just as likely that the group can be corrupt so >> >> > > >> >> > "membership" >> >> > > >> >> > can >> >> > > >> >> > be a doom- ex: Nazis, etc. >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > On Jan 25, 1:43 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > If there is one concept on Earth that has been the >> >> > > >> >> > > absolute >> >> > > >> >> > > bane >> >> > > of >> >> > > >> >> > > human existence (besides global elitism), it would have >> >> > > >> >> > > to >> >> > > >> >> > > be the >> >> > > >> >> > > concept of the “majority opinion”. The moment men began >> >> > > >> >> > > refusing >> >> > > >> >> > > to >> >> > > >> >> > > develop their own world views without first asking “What >> >> > > >> >> > > does >> >> > > >> >> > > everyone >> >> > > >> >> > > else think?”, they set themselves up for an endless >> >> > > >> >> > > future >> >> > > >> >> > > of >> >> > > >> >> > > failures. We are, of course, very social beings, and our >> >> > > >> >> > > natures >> >> > > >> >> > > drive us to seek those of like mind and spirit in what >> >> > > >> >> > > some >> >> > > >> >> > > might >> >> > > >> >> > > call >> >> > > >> >> > > a “tribal imperative”. However, this imperative to >> >> > > >> >> > > organize >> >> > > >> >> > > is >> >> > > >> >> > > often >> >> > > >> >> > > manipulated by those who understand the psychological >> >> > > >> >> > > mechanisms >> >> > > >> >> > > behind it. Oligarchs and tyrants abuse and exploit the >> >> > > >> >> > > inherent >> >> > > >> >> > > social natures of the people in order to fool them into >> >> > > abandoning >> >> > > >> >> > > their individuality for the sake of the group, or some >> >> > > >> >> > > abstract >> >> > > and >> >> > > >> >> > > dishonest ideal. When successful, the organization of a >> >> > > >> >> > > culture >> >> > > >> >> > > becomes bitter and twisted, changing from a tribe or a >> >> > > >> >> > > community >> >> > > of >> >> > > >> >> > > sovereign individuals, into a nightmare collective of >> >> > > >> >> > > soulless >> >> > > >> >> > > sheep. >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > Human beings desperately want to belong, but, they also >> >> > > desperately >> >> > > >> >> > > want to understand the environment around them. Often, >> >> > > >> >> > > the >> >> > > desire >> >> > > >> >> > > to >> >> > > >> >> > > belong and the desire to know the truth conflict. In >> >> > > >> >> > > some >> >> > > >> >> > > societies, >> >> > > >> >> > > in order to be accepted, one must give up on his search >> >> > > >> >> > > for >> >> > > >> >> > > truth >> >> > > >> >> > > and >> >> > > >> >> > > avoid eliciting the anger of others. This causes a >> >> > > >> >> > > severe >> >> > > >> >> > > mental >> >> > > >> >> > > and >> >> > > >> >> > > emotional disturbance within a population. In order to >> >> > > >> >> > > reconcile >> >> > > >> >> > > their conflicting needs within a system that does not >> >> > > >> >> > > nurture >> >> > > their >> >> > > >> >> > > quest for transparency, they tend to unconsciously cling >> >> > > >> >> > > to >> >> > > >> >> > > the >> >> > > >> >> > > “majority view” as if their very existence depends on it. >> >> > > >> >> > > The >> >> > > idea >> >> > > >> >> > > of >> >> > > >> >> > > the majority view or the “mainstream”, gives people the >> >> > > >> >> > > sense >> >> > > that >> >> > > >> >> > > they are a part of a group, and at the same time, gives >> >> > > >> >> > > them >> >> > > >> >> > > the >> >> > > >> >> > > illusion of being informed. >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > The above from Zerohedge - is it right? What does it say >> >> > > >> >> > > about >> >> > > our >> >> > > >> >> > > general ability to argue rationally? I agree with what >> >> > > >> >> > > is >> >> > > >> >> > > said >> >> > > >> >> > > here - >> >> > > >> >> > > yet believe it suggests we need a radical alternative of >> >> > > education >> >> > > >> >> > > as >> >> > > >> >> > > we have experienced it.- Hide quoted text - >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > >> >> > > >> > -- >> >> > >> >> > > >> -- >> >> > > >> ( >> >> > > >> ) >> >> > > >> |_D Allan >> >> > >> >> > > >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >> >> > >> >> > > >> Of course I talk to myself, >> >> > > >> Sometimes I need expert advice.. >> >> > >> >> > > >> -- >> >> > >> >> > > > -- >> >> > >> >> > > -- >> >> > > ( >> >> > > ) >> >> > > |_D Allan >> >> > >> >> > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >> >> > >> >> > > Of course I talk to myself, >> >> > > Sometimes I need expert advice.. >> >> > >> >> > > -- >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> ( >> ) >> |_D Allan >> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >> >> Of course I talk to myself, >> Sometimes I need expert advice.. > > -- > > >
-- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. Of course I talk to myself, Sometimes I need expert advice.. --
