If you asked someone in the herd, if they considered themselves to be part of the herd, or if their view was their opinion, I suspect that you would hear a view entirely different than the opinion you just voiced, Andrew. An opinion filled with judgments presented as fact (or a an attempt of such,) twisted words and thinly veiled accusations are always weak argument. Words like arrogant and vain are value judgments. Herd mentality is a documented sociological phenomenon. Most operating under herd mentality do not understand that the basis of their thinking or opinion is fear. I would speculate that most political rhetoric is aimed at forming herd mentality with fear. At least, all the political ads in every city I have ever lived in the US.
On Jan 27, 12:23 pm, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> wrote: > Heard mentality or herd mentality is not an opinion. It is just blindly > following the loudest voice heard either out of fear or out of not having > an opinion but taking it from the herd you chose to follow in order to > conform. The majority opinion in not necessarily the loudest opinion you > hear. The loudest opinion usually comes from an arrogant, vain and > disrespectful person who is power hungry and has enough money for a > brainwashing campaign. Like a dictator who disregards majority opinions as > mindless. > > > > > > > > On Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:12:08 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote: > > > Of course, I meant herd mentality. Now, off to work! > > > On Jan 27, 10:00 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > before the judgments fly any further, a differentiation between heard > > > mentality and majority thinking might be in order. It is possible > > > there there is truth in what Andrew and Allan are saying, but gross > > > generalization, paradoxically, leads to a narrow view, one that is > > > unable to consider another. Heard mentality can indeed, be dangerous, > > > and a great manipulator can take advantage. History bears this out on > > > many occasions. > > > > On Jan 27, 4:35 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > what ever andrew > > > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:55 AM, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Except when the majority opinion happens to agree with your own > > opinion. In > > > > > my own personal opinion, anyone who thinks that the majority opinion > > is > > > > > mindless shows clear signs of arrogance, vanity and disrespect. All > > opinions > > > > > should be respected. Is that not the basis of democracy? > > > > > > On Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:44:57 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: > > > > > >> the majority opinion is the easiest one to manipulate as it has no > > > > >> idea what it is. because of that it is the easiest to control > > being > > > > >> both mindless, disorientated with no where to go and no idea of > > what > > > > >> it believes as well as willing to believe the comforting lie > > rather > > > > >> tan the simple truth. > > > > > >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:57 PM, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > The majority opinion is the most FAIR, most JUST, most > > comprehensive.... > > > > >> > opinion. You can not call it the best, the most correct, or the > > most > > > > >> > moral > > > > >> > etc...because those evaluations are personal. Majority opinion is > > not > > > > >> > personal. > > > > > >> > On Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:15:25 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote: > > > > > >> >> .......I think we know > > > > >> >> what the right things to do are but are scared of our impotence > > - > > > > >> >> understanding more of why might help. > > > > > >> >> On Jan 26, 10:14 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> >> > In present tense it means acknowledging the massive amount of > > > > >> >> > illnesses, > > > > >> >> > deaths and general deformation of humanness because of a > > protestant > > > > >> >> > work > > > > >> >> > ethics that serves very much the one and less the many. I hope > > you > > > > >> >> > can > > > > >> >> > decipher my shorthand by now. > > > > > >> >> > 2013/1/26 Allan H <[email protected]> > > > > > >> >> > > Yes and no one is more or less past tense the other is on > > going, > > > > >> >> > > one killing was based off racial superiority,, the other > > killing > > > > >> >> > > is > > > > >> >> > > based off religious superiority, > > > > >> >> > > Whats the difference.. ?? > > > > > >> >> > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM, gabbydott < > > [email protected]> > > > > >> >> > > wrote: > > > > >> >> > > > The other serving as a better example of wickedness is a > > classic, > > > > >> >> > > > Allan. > > > > > >> >> > > > 2013/1/26 Allan H <[email protected]> > > > > > >> >> > > >> A better example Riggs and sadly enough is Islam in > > today's > > > > >> >> > > >> world.. > > > > >> >> > > >> This is evidenced in all the news reports of the day. > > > > > >> >> > > >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 2:43 AM, rigs <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > >> >> > > >> > The Nazis seem an obvious example of fairly recent > > history- > > > > >> >> > > >> > that's all > > > > >> >> > > >> > I meant- and history is littered with examples as > > explicated > > > > >> >> > > >> > by > > > > >> >> > > >> > Archytas. It's as if the majority gets caught up in a > > wave- to > > > > >> >> > > >> > use > > > > >> >> > > >> > Molly's image. Though there may be concrete reasons at > > the > > > > >> >> > > >> > base, > > > > >> >> > > >> > it is > > > > >> >> > > >> > often an irrational reaction. My point is that when > > dissent is > > > > >> >> > > >> > silenced, democracy is in trouble. > > > > > >> >> > > >> > On Jan 25, 1:25 pm, Gabby <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> >> > > >> >> Ah, rigs. :( Where is Molly by the way? > > > > >> >> > > >> >> Let's give the majority opinion problem a hearty > > positive > > > > >> >> > > >> >> spin > > > > >> >> > > >> >> and > > > > >> >> > > say: > > > > >> >> > > >> >> the > > > > >> >> > > >> >> majority of Germans is happy that the majority of > > Americans > > > > >> >> > > >> >> is > > > > >> >> > > happily > > > > >> >> > > >> >> forming their opinions in America and exchange it over > > there. > > > > >> >> > > >> >> :) > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> On Friday, January 25, 2013 2:03:29 PM UTC+1, rigs > > wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > And very often their very existence does depend upon > > going > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > along > > > > >> >> > > with > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > the majority. However, one feature of democracy is > > that of > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > dissent > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > but > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > it can be risky esp. if the majority has a mob > > mentality. > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > When > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > you > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > think of the average classroom it is obvious that > > the > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > pattern > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > is to > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > echo rather than question and the same applies to > > other > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > areas > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > of > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > life. > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > It is just as likely that the group can be corrupt > > so > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > "membership" > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > can > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > be a doom- ex: Nazis, etc. > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > On Jan 25, 1:43 am, archytas <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > If there is one concept on Earth that has been the > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > absolute > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > bane > > > > >> >> > > of > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > human existence (besides global elitism), it would > > have > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > to > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > be the > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > concept of the “majority opinion”. The moment men > > began > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > refusing > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > to > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > develop their own world views without first asking > > “What > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > does > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > everyone > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > else think?”, they set themselves up for an > > endless > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > future > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > of > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > failures. We are, of course, very social beings, > > and our > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > natures > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > drive us to seek those of like mind and spirit in > > what > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > some > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > might > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > call > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > a “tribal imperative”. However, this imperative > > to > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > organize > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > is > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > often > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > manipulated by those who understand the > > psychological > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > mechanisms > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > behind it. Oligarchs and tyrants abuse and > > exploit the > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > inherent > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > social natures of the people in order to fool them > > into > > > > >> >> > > abandoning > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > their individuality for the sake of the group, or > > some > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > abstract > > > > >> >> > > and > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > dishonest ideal. When successful, the > > organization of a > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > culture > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > becomes bitter and twisted, changing from a tribe > > or a > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > community > > > > >> >> > > of > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > sovereign individuals, into a nightmare collective > > of > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > soulless > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > sheep. > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > Human beings desperately want to belong, but, they > > also > > > > >> >> > > desperately > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > want to understand the environment around them. > > Often, > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > the > > > > >> >> > > desire > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > to > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > belong and the desire to know the truth conflict. > > In > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > some > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > societies, > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > in order to be accepted, one must give up on his > > search > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > for > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > truth > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > and > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > avoid eliciting the anger of others. This causes > > a > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > severe > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > mental > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > and > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > emotional disturbance within a population. In > > order to > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > reconcile > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > their conflicting needs within a system that does > > not > > ... > > read more » --
