Any group will have its problems Guide lines against short falls could
be helpful.


On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 1:32 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> More or less my belief Allan - though small parochial groups still
> have problems.
>
> On Feb 17, 9:06 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote:
>> The only real solution I see is small communities working for the
>> common good..    realistically you can develop some semblance of
>> financial clot..  unfortunately it needs to be family or some other
>> reason that it group remands in tact..
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>> On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 1:29 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > I don't know if something called Modern Monetary Theory will pan out
>> > Allan - but in that it all starts with government money, central banks
>> > and favouring banksters with cheap money.  I have no doubt this is
>> > true.  The questions are really about how we break it all up without
>> > sticking ourselves with an inane bureaucracy that's worse.  George
>> > Bush senior hung around in the shadows of BCCI, Neil Bush was around
>> > the thrifts scandal and the criminality is complex.  What we don't
>> > know is how people would behave if we could break the crimogenic cycle
>> > and structure genuine freedom.
>>
>> > On Feb 16, 2:39 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> You are right the corporate and free enterprise is the most fantastic
>> >> way of stealing and hiding money ever created is the total dream of
>> >> the greedy and selfish souls
>>
>> >> On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 1:15 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> > Frauds do unravel - let loose on the banksters and Planet Ponzi with
>> >> > carte blanche the world we are likely to find is upside down.  Fraud
>> >> > enquiries, even in my day, were about building a model of the network
>> >> > - 'who knows whom'?  was always a major question.  Now we can use
>> >> > algorithms to search huge databases of communication - but they often
>> >> > lead to matters held offshore.  I claim 70% of my car against tax and
>> >> > the taxman could check my claim easily - big firms submit claims
>> >> > concerning offshore activities that cannot be checked - some companies
>> >> > already use servers in Panama to evade sequestration of emails and so
>> >> > on.  That fraud is going on is obvious, from our military activities,
>> >> > looting whole economies (Argentina is probably the classic case since
>> >> > 1830 - (they were briefly 4th highest in per capita GDP and now
>> >> > bankrupt again) and the money system generally.  We generally look the
>> >> > other way unless tough times come to us directly.  Looking the other
>> >> > way is a first step towards Nazism.  I would suggest we do many bad
>> >> > things in everyday banality.
>>
>> >> > On Feb 11, 8:27 am, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> Hi Rigs, You seem to be a very positive thinking person. In the 
>> >> >> "Madness
>> >> >> and Sanity" discussion, you wrote "Eventually fraud and evil fail by 
>> >> >> their
>> >> >> own undoing by some universal law or force." I hope by the same 
>> >> >> reasoning,
>> >> >> goodness should eventually shine thru the badness that shades it so 
>> >> >> well in
>> >> >> our everyday world. I wonder what that universal law of force is that 
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> allude to.  There are many analogies to this force in science and 
>> >> >> religion.
>> >> >> Gravity, light, consciousness and love are some that come to mind.  It
>> >> >> gives me hope.
>>
>> >> >> On Saturday, February 9, 2013 2:47:02 AM UTC+1, rigs wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > I think we act in self-interest and hopefully the spurs are positive
>> >> >> > and good- thus the rewards.
>>
>> >> >> > On Feb 8, 6:54 pm, James <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> > > I am sure there is a reasonable explanation for each of those 
>> >> >> > > questions,
>> >> >> > > or to an example of each, but my answer to that would be lacking. 
>> >> >> > > What
>> >> >> > > interests me now is that you and others ask such a question, the 
>> >> >> > > only
>> >> >> > > response that comes to mind is that nature will always challenge 
>> >> >> > > us and
>> >> >> > > we will be driven to overcome, because we are aware. It will eat 
>> >> >> > > at us
>> >> >> > > until we do, and we are still here.
>>
>> >> >> > > On 2/5/2013 7:37 AM, andrew vecsey wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > > > Dear participants of this discussion. I have to admit that much 
>> >> >> > > > of the
>> >> >> > > > things you discuss in this discussion are over my head.  What I 
>> >> >> > > > think
>> >> >> > > > I got from the discussion so far is that as far as "knowledge" is
>> >> >> > > > concerned, or a lack of it, or a distortion of it shows more 
>> >> >> > > > negative
>> >> >> > > > aspects than positive ones. The other thing I got from the 
>> >> >> > > > discussion
>> >> >> > > > is that politics has turned out more bad than good - thanks to 
>> >> >> > > > greed.
>> >> >> > > > What about religion? Why is our concept of god so negative? Why 
>> >> >> > > > have
>> >> >> > > > we pictured our gods as cruel and jealous and perverse?  What 
>> >> >> > > > about
>> >> >> > > > nature? Why does it seem perverse in the fact that the more we 
>> >> >> > > > want
>> >> >> > > > something, the more it evades us? Why does time seem to slow 
>> >> >> > > > down when
>> >> >> > > > we would rather it went by quickly? Why does time speed up when 
>> >> >> > > > we
>> >> >> > > > want to relish a moment and wish time to slow down?. Why do many
>> >> >> > > > children show signs of cruelty to animals? Why is our history 
>> >> >> > > > filled
>> >> >> > > > with unbelievable violence, especially to our fellow humans? Why 
>> >> >> > > > does
>> >> >> > > > power corrupt? and greed prevail? Why is it that so many harmfull
>> >> >> > > > habits are addictive? Why is man so perverse?
>>
>> >> >> > > > On Monday, January 28, 2013 12:11:39 PM UTC+1, andrew vecsey 
>> >> >> > > > wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > > >     Why do so many of us remember negative feelings easier than
>> >> >> > > >     positive ones. Pain over pleasure. Bad news over good news. 
>> >> >> > > > Why
>> >> >> > > >     does "bad" overshadow "good", immorality over morality, 
>> >> >> > > > despair
>> >> >> > > >     over hope, pessimism over optimism. Why does hate appear to 
>> >> >> > > > be
>> >> >> > > >     more powerful than love? Why is greed louder than 
>> >> >> > > > generosity. Why
>> >> >> > > >     is destruction of war so much faster than the building power 
>> >> >> > > > of
>> >> >> > > >     peace. Why can one little lie destroy a lifetime of trust. 
>> >> >> > > > Why are
>> >> >> > > >     lies more influential than truth. It all seems so one sided. 
>> >> >> > > > Why
>> >> >> > > >     is that?
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