There's a PhD attempt on the theme here - https://suny-dspace.longsight.com/bitstream/handle/1951/55962/Calvey_grad.sunysb_0771E_10436.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
On Friday, 17 October 2014 16:00:31 UTC+1, archytas wrote: > > Molly's salamander description is sort of alien. Radio signals from my > aliens would be 100,000 years away Tony - we would have to be able to scan > the dark as they do and 'see' in different time. Not much point in them > radioing a warning about the asteroid to us! Promethius, a poor film, has > us finding nasty aliens sleeping on a distant planet and stealing one of > their ships to go looking for 'who made them'. Zero times zero is actually > interesting in maths, much as infinity. More relevant, I guess, is that > there were no black swans once on the grounds of logic and lack of > knowledge of Australia. > > My dogs share my world of sight, but I have to imagine (guided by some > science) the world of their noses. Hollywood is naff and its aliens > all-too-human and bound in space-time. Time to walk said animals and > discuss non-commutative geometry with them (no one else listens). This is > about the order of doing things - a bit like looking at one of Facil's > structures from and in different orders of perspective and cue. The dogs > listen intently until the treats run out! Moll's salamander symbol could > be the alien from Alien, given the teeth. > > On Friday, 17 October 2014 14:46:25 UTC+1, facilitator wrote: >> >> For the most part I think people consider them some sort of savior while >> hollywood persists in seeing them as a danger to humanity. Science feels >> it would be the death blow to any remaining religious belief. Math poses a >> problem to Drakes law, zero times zero is still zero. No news is bad news >> on the search of radio signals. I think many follow the Mulder theorem "I >> want to believe". >> >> On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:09:34 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>> >>> Apparently, atheists and Muslims are most likely to believe in aliens. >>> I suppose religionists are more likely to be prone to 'visions' and guess >>> atheists (I've never quite met one) know about Drake's Law (in a universe >>> so big there not being other life is unlikely). Various chimera exist in >>> our literature from times when more than a few days' walk was to enter >>> 'alien territory'. My alien experiences as a child were of the face at the >>> widow kind and being terrified by dreams of golden-clawed lobsters coming >>> out from under the bed. Later, post-op morphine was pretty good, as was >>> post-exhaustion on army exercises (where I asked a werewolf for >>> directions). >>> >>> Much alien stuff is pretty religious - good guys might come offering >>> salvation like a couple of fusion reactors and bad guys might unite us in a >>> battle against their evil. Joining the EU was once about salvation, just >>> as leaving is now. Human beings often seem pretty alien to me (touch of >>> autism). MumboJumbo was some kind of Congo jungle spirit used to prevent >>> women wandering off - all rather religious. The fantastic power of aliens >>> in travelling space-time (Facil's sculpture is brilliantly fantastic as its >>> constituents would melt, yet is also a symbol of escape to salvation - >>> maybe like the Mayflower and current rickety refugee boats). >>> >>> The alien in religion, especially control fraud religion like economics, >>> can be salvation or hideous control (the sky will fall, MumboJumbo will get >>> you, Judgement Day) - and perhaps even makes the believer alien-chosen as >>> in Rapture. Under dire religious control of ridiculous status quo blood >>> debts (Lele) or banks, maybe the spirit flies to the alien - 'my invisible >>> big brother will get you' with plagues of frogs. Anything other than the >>> practical, like replacing banks with block chain technologies and plastic >>> crap economies with serious development of clean energy and space-craft >>> that can survive space weather. >>> >>> Good question Tony - I suspect I'd have to experience religion first to >>> give an answer. The contest between golden salamanders in hats is not my >>> bag. My aliens, currently diverted into tapping vacuum energy near the >>> centre of our galaxy (this is why our super-massive blackhole is grey) >>> 100,000 light-years away, are coming to tell us to get on with peace or >>> they'll bomb us to kingdom come - sadly highly derivative of US (Western) >>> foreign policy as spoken to us. Our galaxy, they will explain, has been >>> infected by the spider-ant slavers from Andromeda, another religious-type >>> ploy. How will we know they are not the spider-ants? All we need for >>> salvation is a small implant that will allow us to live on a higher plane. >>> >>> On Thursday, 16 October 2014 17:52:39 UTC+1, facilitator wrote: >>>> >>>> Throughout the discussions occasionally the topic of "Aliens", Alien >>>> life, has come up. My view: I don't think so. (And this from someone >>>> who >>>> has witnessed two UFO's). What is (are) your argument(s) for believing >>>> (religious connotation) in Alien life? >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-IPzU_WF-w6c/VD_3oKZqFJI/AAAAAAAAAD8/2D33Pkxxfjk/s1600/Murray_Ganymede_EntryA.jpg> >>>> >>> -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
