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On Friday, October 17, 2014 12:23:46 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
>
> There's a PhD attempt on the theme here - 
> https://suny-dspace.longsight.com/bitstream/handle/1951/55962/Calvey_grad.sunysb_0771E_10436.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
>
> On Friday, 17 October 2014 16:00:31 UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>>
>> Molly's salamander description is sort of alien.  Radio signals from my 
>> aliens would be 100,000 years away Tony - we would have to be able to scan 
>> the dark as they do and 'see' in different time.  Not much point in them 
>> radioing a warning about the asteroid to us!  Promethius, a poor film, has 
>> us finding nasty aliens sleeping on a distant planet and stealing one of 
>> their ships to go looking for 'who made them'.  Zero times zero is actually 
>> interesting in maths, much as infinity.  More relevant, I guess, is that 
>> there were no black swans once on the grounds of logic and lack of 
>> knowledge of Australia.  
>>
>> My dogs share my world of sight, but I have to imagine (guided by some 
>> science) the world of their noses.  Hollywood is naff and its aliens 
>> all-too-human and bound in space-time.  Time to walk said animals and 
>> discuss non-commutative geometry with them (no one else listens).  This is 
>> about the order of doing things - a bit like looking at one of Facil's 
>> structures from and in different orders of perspective and cue.  The dogs 
>> listen intently until the treats run out!  Moll's salamander symbol could 
>> be the alien from Alien, given the teeth. 
>>
>> On Friday, 17 October 2014 14:46:25 UTC+1, facilitator wrote:
>>>
>>> For the most part I think people consider them some sort of savior while 
>>> hollywood persists in seeing them as a danger to humanity.  Science feels 
>>> it would be the death blow to any remaining religious belief.  Math poses a 
>>> problem to Drakes law, zero times zero is still zero.  No news is bad news 
>>> on the search of radio signals.  I think many follow the Mulder theorem "I 
>>> want to believe".
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:09:34 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Apparently, atheists and Muslims are most likely to believe in aliens. 
>>>>  I suppose religionists are more likely to be prone to 'visions' and guess 
>>>> atheists (I've never quite met one) know about Drake's Law (in a universe 
>>>> so big there not being other life is unlikely).  Various chimera exist in 
>>>> our literature from times when more than a few days' walk was to enter 
>>>> 'alien territory'.  My alien experiences as a child were of the face at 
>>>> the 
>>>> widow kind and being terrified by dreams of golden-clawed lobsters coming 
>>>> out from under the bed.  Later, post-op morphine was pretty good, as was 
>>>> post-exhaustion on army exercises (where I asked a werewolf for 
>>>> directions).  
>>>>
>>>> Much alien stuff is pretty religious - good guys might come offering 
>>>> salvation like a couple of fusion reactors and bad guys might unite us in 
>>>> a 
>>>> battle against their evil.  Joining the EU was once about salvation, just 
>>>> as leaving is now.  Human beings often seem pretty alien to me (touch of 
>>>> autism).  MumboJumbo was some kind of Congo jungle spirit used to prevent 
>>>> women wandering off - all rather religious.  The fantastic power of aliens 
>>>> in travelling space-time (Facil's sculpture is brilliantly fantastic as 
>>>> its 
>>>> constituents would melt, yet is also a symbol of escape to salvation - 
>>>> maybe like the Mayflower and current rickety refugee boats).
>>>>
>>>> The alien in religion, especially control fraud religion like 
>>>> economics, can be salvation or hideous control (the sky will fall, 
>>>> MumboJumbo will get you, Judgement Day) - and perhaps even makes the 
>>>> believer alien-chosen as in Rapture.  Under dire religious control of 
>>>> ridiculous status quo blood debts (Lele) or banks, maybe the spirit flies 
>>>> to the alien - 'my invisible big brother will get you' with plagues of 
>>>> frogs.  Anything other than the practical, like replacing banks with block 
>>>> chain technologies and plastic crap economies with serious development of 
>>>> clean energy and space-craft that can survive space weather.
>>>>
>>>> Good question Tony - I suspect I'd have to experience religion first to 
>>>> give an answer.  The contest between golden salamanders in hats is not my 
>>>> bag.  My aliens, currently diverted into tapping vacuum energy near the 
>>>> centre of our galaxy (this is why our super-massive blackhole is grey) 
>>>> 100,000 light-years away, are coming to tell us to get on with peace or 
>>>> they'll bomb us to kingdom come - sadly highly derivative of US (Western) 
>>>> foreign policy as spoken to us.  Our galaxy, they will explain, has been 
>>>> infected by the spider-ant slavers from Andromeda, another religious-type 
>>>> ploy.  How will we know they are not the spider-ants?  All we need for 
>>>> salvation is a small implant that will allow us to live on a higher plane.
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, 16 October 2014 17:52:39 UTC+1, facilitator wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>    Throughout the discussions occasionally the topic of "Aliens", 
>>>>> Alien life, has come up.   My view: I don't think so.  (And this from 
>>>>> someone who has witnessed two UFO's).    What is (are) your argument(s) 
>>>>> for 
>>>>> believing (religious connotation) in Alien life?  
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-IPzU_WF-w6c/VD_3oKZqFJI/AAAAAAAAAD8/2D33Pkxxfjk/s1600/Murray_Ganymede_EntryA.jpg>
>>>>>
>>>>

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