Link is dysfunctional. My browser rejects it. On Friday, October 17, 2014 12:23:46 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: > > There's a PhD attempt on the theme here - > https://suny-dspace.longsight.com/bitstream/handle/1951/55962/Calvey_grad.sunysb_0771E_10436.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y > > On Friday, 17 October 2014 16:00:31 UTC+1, archytas wrote: >> >> Molly's salamander description is sort of alien. Radio signals from my >> aliens would be 100,000 years away Tony - we would have to be able to scan >> the dark as they do and 'see' in different time. Not much point in them >> radioing a warning about the asteroid to us! Promethius, a poor film, has >> us finding nasty aliens sleeping on a distant planet and stealing one of >> their ships to go looking for 'who made them'. Zero times zero is actually >> interesting in maths, much as infinity. More relevant, I guess, is that >> there were no black swans once on the grounds of logic and lack of >> knowledge of Australia. >> >> My dogs share my world of sight, but I have to imagine (guided by some >> science) the world of their noses. Hollywood is naff and its aliens >> all-too-human and bound in space-time. Time to walk said animals and >> discuss non-commutative geometry with them (no one else listens). This is >> about the order of doing things - a bit like looking at one of Facil's >> structures from and in different orders of perspective and cue. The dogs >> listen intently until the treats run out! Moll's salamander symbol could >> be the alien from Alien, given the teeth. >> >> On Friday, 17 October 2014 14:46:25 UTC+1, facilitator wrote: >>> >>> For the most part I think people consider them some sort of savior while >>> hollywood persists in seeing them as a danger to humanity. Science feels >>> it would be the death blow to any remaining religious belief. Math poses a >>> problem to Drakes law, zero times zero is still zero. No news is bad news >>> on the search of radio signals. I think many follow the Mulder theorem "I >>> want to believe". >>> >>> On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:09:34 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>>> >>>> Apparently, atheists and Muslims are most likely to believe in aliens. >>>> I suppose religionists are more likely to be prone to 'visions' and guess >>>> atheists (I've never quite met one) know about Drake's Law (in a universe >>>> so big there not being other life is unlikely). Various chimera exist in >>>> our literature from times when more than a few days' walk was to enter >>>> 'alien territory'. My alien experiences as a child were of the face at >>>> the >>>> widow kind and being terrified by dreams of golden-clawed lobsters coming >>>> out from under the bed. Later, post-op morphine was pretty good, as was >>>> post-exhaustion on army exercises (where I asked a werewolf for >>>> directions). >>>> >>>> Much alien stuff is pretty religious - good guys might come offering >>>> salvation like a couple of fusion reactors and bad guys might unite us in >>>> a >>>> battle against their evil. Joining the EU was once about salvation, just >>>> as leaving is now. Human beings often seem pretty alien to me (touch of >>>> autism). MumboJumbo was some kind of Congo jungle spirit used to prevent >>>> women wandering off - all rather religious. The fantastic power of aliens >>>> in travelling space-time (Facil's sculpture is brilliantly fantastic as >>>> its >>>> constituents would melt, yet is also a symbol of escape to salvation - >>>> maybe like the Mayflower and current rickety refugee boats). >>>> >>>> The alien in religion, especially control fraud religion like >>>> economics, can be salvation or hideous control (the sky will fall, >>>> MumboJumbo will get you, Judgement Day) - and perhaps even makes the >>>> believer alien-chosen as in Rapture. Under dire religious control of >>>> ridiculous status quo blood debts (Lele) or banks, maybe the spirit flies >>>> to the alien - 'my invisible big brother will get you' with plagues of >>>> frogs. Anything other than the practical, like replacing banks with block >>>> chain technologies and plastic crap economies with serious development of >>>> clean energy and space-craft that can survive space weather. >>>> >>>> Good question Tony - I suspect I'd have to experience religion first to >>>> give an answer. The contest between golden salamanders in hats is not my >>>> bag. My aliens, currently diverted into tapping vacuum energy near the >>>> centre of our galaxy (this is why our super-massive blackhole is grey) >>>> 100,000 light-years away, are coming to tell us to get on with peace or >>>> they'll bomb us to kingdom come - sadly highly derivative of US (Western) >>>> foreign policy as spoken to us. Our galaxy, they will explain, has been >>>> infected by the spider-ant slavers from Andromeda, another religious-type >>>> ploy. How will we know they are not the spider-ants? All we need for >>>> salvation is a small implant that will allow us to live on a higher plane. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, 16 October 2014 17:52:39 UTC+1, facilitator wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Throughout the discussions occasionally the topic of "Aliens", >>>>> Alien life, has come up. My view: I don't think so. (And this from >>>>> someone who has witnessed two UFO's). What is (are) your argument(s) >>>>> for >>>>> believing (religious connotation) in Alien life? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-IPzU_WF-w6c/VD_3oKZqFJI/AAAAAAAAAD8/2D33Pkxxfjk/s1600/Murray_Ganymede_EntryA.jpg> >>>>> >>>>
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