Solipsism has appeal to some RP - though I'd guess Facil isn't Facile. Quite liked the 'shaky camerawork' Tony - couldn't take the musak. I'm watching the Manchester University brain box and irritatingly good looking Brian Cox tell the story of humans being the only intelligent civilisation, but the physicist has already come up with some standard nonsense on Easter Island's people destroying themselves - rather than Dutch and Peruvian slavers and sheep monoculture. The basic idea is that we would already know a very advanced civilisation if there was one. Mere speculation, of course, despite the scientific front man and his concerns to avoid shaming Amsterdam residents.
Solipsism is extremely difficult to disprove, much as statements the Earth was born in 4004 BC complete with fossil record, memories and no doubt a cosmos sending us false signals. Universe may follow universe as RP says - but this is not much use to science - though the quest is on for alternatives to creation theories like biggly bang. Speculative, but hard worked on data suggests a dark flow out of the universe to an attractor beyond - a beyond the speed of light 'dark flow'. It is hard to reason that anything exists outside human subjectivity, perhaps an individual subjectivity - one might kick a stone and say 'feck that for a game of soldiers' - but this could all exist in a solipsist consciousness too. The scientific-philosophic point is not this, but to decide what hypothesis to work with. The reality hypothesis tends to be more useful than imagining, hallucinating a real world and so on. Solipsism is some kind of boundary emulator - yet in the standard run of things we believe there was a time before human time and human consciousness. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/collingwood-aesthetics/ - for some consideration in the realm of art. On Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:19:33 PM UTC, RP Singh wrote: > > Facil , you are just one of the observers , you are not interacting with > images in your consciousness but with real people. The life you see around > yourself is not your dream but the reality of existence. When you die it is > you alone but soon after others follow you one after another in a never > ending chain as individuals keep on being born. Universes follow > universes,and Creation never ceases to be. > Your view is very shortsighted if you think we exist only in your > imagination , why are you interacting with us at all if we do not have > separate existence from you. > > On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 11:18 PM, 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Loneliness yes, is a feeling. Sometimes wonderful, sometimes >> debilitating. My cells do seem to enjoy being a part of something bigger. >> The alone I speak of is the individual soul. Many would like to think we >> are part of some larger "Soul Pool", not the Don Cornelius type. Not sure >> how this would fit with the population growth but I can't prove anything >> doesn't exist either. (That's confusing but true). But I hold to the >> snowflake theorem. Each of us a very unique individual never to be >> repeated and lasting but a nanosecond in terms of life span when placed on >> a history graph. Everyone around me may also be just my matrix dream or I >> theirs. When I die, I know for a fact, everything ceases to exist along >> with me. It is based on a relativity. Everyone in the world is living in >> my perceptive reality. I am the only observer. >> >> The Black and White Years: The power to change. lyrics are decent. >> http://youtu.be/S6YGrawORu4 >> >> >> On Sunday, October 26, 2014 12:51:32 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>> >>> You mentioned above that 'alone is alone' Tony. I tend to distinguish >>> between loneliness (which I easily experience among humans) and solitude - >>> the latter being very comforting. We are never alone in another sense. >>> Our bodies have about ten trillion cells and we carry a hundred trillion >>> bacteria and various small body-dwellers. Inside the cells, our >>> energy-makers are mitochondria, thought to have once been parasitic >>> bacteria whose ATP (energy currency) we have reversed. The 'dark' rushes >>> through us all the time - axions from the Sun are a current suggestion >>> (could we be 'holograms' supported by such?) - and our perception seems to >>> work by focusing-out (there are about 20 senses - making 6th sense >>> awareness a bit puny). >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
