Only the one Spirit is unborn and indestructible , and the individuals or
souls are born with the body and die with it. And yes I presume this as
fact , as you have been presuming so far.

On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 8:21 AM, 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Well, yes they can be stated as fact.  What you are telling me then could
> easily be fact or fiction, I must decide.  You don't use the word "fact"
> but you certainly presume its truth over mine.  History is full of facts
> that, over time, melted into fables.
>
> The souls then you claim are images of the spirit.  Images only?  Then
> they are simply a perception and again are not a reality.  It is like
> saying both the image on the TV of a stop sign and the stop sign at the
> local intersection are "Real".   You say the soul (images of the spirit)
> dies with the body?  So everything dies but the singular spirit.  Then you
> are back to the individual.
>
> On Sunday, October 26, 2014 10:33:40 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:
>>
>> The Spirit is singular because what we call souls are actually images of
>> the spirit and die with the body. By this definition the soul is just the
>> self-sense presiding in the body while it is alive. You may call the Spirit
>> or God , the Cause for all existence. What you have been saying is also
>> just beliefs and cannot be said to be facts.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:35 AM, 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 26, 2014 3:21:37 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Facil , Your existence is two-fold. First you are an observer and
>>>> secondly you are a doer. You observe and you act , life is a song where
>>>> individuals observe each other and interact. All very real , my friend,
>>>> while it lasts , and it is an illusion only in the fact that it is
>>>> changeable and perishable. The Spirit from which all individuals emanate is
>>>> real, as even without being conscious it is our basis , our source.
>>>> Consciousness is in the domain of the finite as that which surpasses
>>>> consciousness is the infinite and the eternal Spirit. We individual souls
>>>> perish with the body , but the Spirit remains as it is unborn and
>>>> indestructible.
>>>>
>>>
>>> RP  This is all based on a belief system which exists in your mind.  You
>>> can assert these positions are real, true and factual but only to the
>>> extent that you believe them.  Believing them does not make them true.
>>> Even if millions of people believe the same set of fundamentals it doesn't
>>> make them more valid.  The problem for the position you take is that if new
>>> facts come along then you have to say, at some point, what you perceived to
>>> be true before, was a clever lie.  If a spirit is unborn from whence are
>>> there more?   If then there are not more but the one eternal then that is
>>> not different in scope then saying there is only the singular spirit.  If
>>> there is only the singular then how is it there can be any individual?  You
>>> also said the individual soul perishes with the body.  What then is the
>>> point of having a soul?
>>>
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