The rich have a much better time of it here, too, Mando. On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 6:46:33 PM UTC-4, Mando wrote: > > I am much shock! > I thought these were only happening on our side of the world ( Africa > especially Ghana ). I used to blame journalists or the media for that > matter, for not taking these kind of social issues up till I watched from > the news that people prefer settling matters concerning rape at home than > courts, reasons given were many: > families of victims are too poor to hire lawyer(s), > they had no time to follow such cases as the courts keep postponing the > ruling from one date to another, > they cannot make the case public because the family cannot stand the > stigmatization... > > Woe to you if you do not have a relative in higher authority of the nation > because only the rich can make the system or law works. A police man is > willing to assist you if only you have something to offer. 'the poor > doesn't go to court' as my late grandma would put it > On Oct 29, 2014 8:43 PM, "Molly" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> What abuse we tolerate in groups large and small has much to do with our >> inability to face the issues and take action to solve them. Fear prevents >> people from involvement in these truly terrifying human transgressions and >> ironically, fear creates the personality disorders in the abusers. I took >> a pregnant teen parent to the hospital because the father of her kids beat >> her badly. He showed up at the hospital and began screaming and coming at >> her. The hospital security would have nothing to do with it unless they >> witnessed him causing her physical injury again, at which point they would >> not stop him but call the police. After placing myself between them >> several times and heated negotiations with the hospital, she and I were >> given an examining room and he was not allowed to enter. He did pace the >> waiting room and gave us a hard time all the way to my car. I dropped her >> at her mothers, but don't think things got much better for her after. She >> would not file a police report because she had several times and it came to >> naught, which only escalated the abuse. >> >> It seems to me that the majority of us have a fear of involvement because >> it means taking some abuse ourselves from the abuser and his people but >> from the system too sometimes. It is easier to walk away, but not more >> honorable. >> >> On the other hand, I have spoken up at times, put myself in harms way, >> only to have it work out so that the people I advocate for can flourish. >> Buy the ticket, take the ride. Don't expect a thrill every time. >> >> On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:40:32 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>> >>> Latest 'research' in the UK reckons 10% of the CSE problem is stranger- >>> gangs and 90% in the home - maybe 600,000 victims in the country. >>> Something very similar to this was in the textbooks when I taught social >>> admin in the mid-80s. I still don't actually know whether it is true or >>> not. >>> >>> I suspect a much wider problem in a wider, abusive and disabling >>> society. Answers, like Soviet Paradise, were never answers at all. What I >>> suspect is massive confusion on data - not in the piffling way we might >>> consider calling it capta. In a way, scientific and material progress >>> (which I regard as real, if with problems) and its run-up against questions >>> on what life is and should be about (religion?) seem set against each other >>> to prevent argument leading to sensible praxis. It's very difficult to >>> make the argument about this - it would be far too long for most to listen >>> and contribute. >>> >>> We have a case here in which Surrey Police gave shotguns back to a man >>> who then killed two women with them - the last woman was killed despite >>> making a 999 call. The cops commissioned two 'independent' reports from - >>> er - other cops - and have apologised. It seems Surrey did not follow >>> proper procedures. Even at this level, argument is extremely difficult - >>> one only has to imagine what the former ME gun lobby would say. What we >>> lack is public argument that gets sensible things done and recognises we >>> can't expect perfect outcomes. At what point do we recognise bad outcomes >>> are not just inevitable mistakes but concern corruption, incompetence and >>> widespread system failure - and that 'enquiries' aren't fixing much, if >>> anything, decade on decade? >>> >>> As a cop who did 'find' victims of CSE, I know that 35 years ago >>> "finance" was a major issue in our failure to investigate and prosecute and >>> not much has changed. The public has little idea of the cuffing, nodding, >>> skewing and fitting that goes on. Police statistics are no better than >>> Enron or Tesco accounting, but cops are also a small part of the overall >>> problems in a dire criminal justice system. All families let down could >>> technically have used Judicial Review to force the proper actions needed - >>> but almost no one can afford Judicial Review, a standard legal Catch 22. >>> We are now seeing a rush by cops to CSE prosecutions - this really only >>> proves they could have done it before. Much the same could be said on >>> throwing bankers in jail or the politicians who lied to us or stood by >>> doing nothing on Iraq etc. Much of what is going on concerns extremely >>> poor work by professionals paid massive sums of money - and the extent to >>> which thieves now run so much and our disenfranchisement from resourcing >>> decisions. Chief constables are heard saying we can have either action on >>> burglaries or child abuse prevention. >>> >>> All this rot takes place in the mad ideology of >>> jawbs-groaf-burn-the-planet financing in which we delay people's retirement >>> just as we have massive youth unemployment and require a degree for >>> shelf-stacking. We might have to start looking at these matters in terms >>> of how the mad might cure themselves. I often think of it all as operating >>> under the pheromones of a giant slaver-ant matriarch or set of vampires. >>> >>> On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 3:28:06 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> The problems are well known, how does one go about changing this boxed >>>> society? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> All an >>>> ~~ >>>> do not murder, rape, enslave or harm others >>> >>> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >
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