Latest 'research' in the UK reckons 10% of the CSE problem is stranger- 
gangs and 90% in the home - maybe 600,000 victims in the country. 
 Something very similar to this was in the textbooks when I taught social 
admin in the mid-80s.  I still don't actually know whether it is true or 
not.

I suspect a much wider problem in a wider, abusive and disabling society. 
 Answers, like Soviet Paradise, were never answers at all.  What I suspect 
is massive confusion on data - not in the piffling way we might consider 
calling it capta.  In a way, scientific and material progress (which I 
regard as real, if with problems) and its run-up against questions on what 
life is and should be about (religion?) seem set against each other to 
prevent argument leading to sensible praxis.  It's very difficult to make 
the argument about this - it would be far too long for most to listen and 
contribute.

We have a case here in which Surrey Police gave shotguns back to a man who 
then killed two women with them - the last woman was killed despite making 
a 999 call.  The cops commissioned two 'independent' reports from - er - 
other cops - and have apologised.  It seems Surrey did not follow proper 
procedures.  Even at this level, argument is extremely difficult - one only 
has to imagine what the former ME gun lobby would say.  What we lack is 
public argument that gets sensible things done and recognises we can't 
expect perfect outcomes.  At what point do we recognise bad outcomes are 
not just inevitable mistakes but concern corruption, incompetence and 
widespread system failure - and that 'enquiries' aren't fixing much, if 
anything, decade on decade?

As a cop who did 'find' victims of CSE, I know that 35 years ago "finance" 
was a major issue in our failure to investigate and prosecute and not much 
has changed.  The public has little idea of the cuffing, nodding, skewing 
and fitting that goes on.  Police statistics are no better than Enron or 
Tesco accounting, but cops are also a small part of the overall problems in 
a dire criminal justice system.  All families let down could technically 
have used Judicial Review to force the proper actions needed - but almost 
no one can afford Judicial Review, a standard legal Catch 22.  We are now 
seeing a rush by cops to CSE prosecutions - this really only proves they 
could have done it before.  Much the same could be said on throwing bankers 
in jail or the politicians who lied to us or stood by doing nothing on Iraq 
etc.  Much of what is going on concerns extremely poor work by 
professionals paid massive sums of money - and the extent to which thieves 
now run so much and our  disenfranchisement from resourcing decisions. 
 Chief constables are heard saying we can have either action on burglaries 
or child abuse prevention.

All this rot takes place in the mad ideology of jawbs-groaf-burn-the-planet 
financing in which we delay people's retirement just as we have massive 
youth unemployment and require a degree for shelf-stacking.  We might have 
to start looking at these matters in terms of how the mad might cure 
themselves.  I often think of it all as operating under the pheromones of a 
giant slaver-ant matriarch or set of vampires.  

On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 3:28:06 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
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> The problems are well known, how does one go about changing this boxed 
> society?
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> do not murder, rape, enslave or harm others

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