Sounds only too much like a standard domestic abuse situation Molly. What I'm really wondering about is how we might get small changes to work big. I can barely credit much of the behaviour I've seen as human. Even when we have legislation we can work with the system tends to pervert it from an innocent lad joking he would burn down Robin Hood Airport if they delayed his flight to see his girlfriend to however international money and the military-industrial complex forcing many to live in squalor and war.
I go with the personal advice and used to remind myself of what you say a lot. It isn't enough and nor was self-medicated drinking. What I can't get past is the way it all repeats, often with no improvement. A further CSE scandal is breaking in Manchester, revealing such nonsense from prosecutors as a girl being unreliable because of background and wearing such clothes as cropped tops - only one in ten cases have led to conviction. Unusually, an MP has got involved (Anne Coffey) and done some leg work herself. My own MP is part of the problem. No one ever seems to be able to step in and say 'this is wrong, get on with a proper investigation'. We don't seem to be able to get public scrutiny on either the bad or good sides. Everyone seems to become part of the problem, discrediting complainants instead of providing sensible investigation and support. In other areas, forensic scientists routinely give false evidence, generally favouring the prosecution (where most of the fees can be earned). I'm pretty sure small moves could make these situations much more positive, but we have to admit the reality. On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:43:03 PM UTC, Molly wrote: > > What abuse we tolerate in groups large and small has much to do with our > inability to face the issues and take action to solve them. Fear prevents > people from involvement in these truly terrifying human transgressions and > ironically, fear creates the personality disorders in the abusers. I took > a pregnant teen parent to the hospital because the father of her kids beat > her badly. He showed up at the hospital and began screaming and coming at > her. The hospital security would have nothing to do with it unless they > witnessed him causing her physical injury again, at which point they would > not stop him but call the police. After placing myself between them > several times and heated negotiations with the hospital, she and I were > given an examining room and he was not allowed to enter. He did pace the > waiting room and gave us a hard time all the way to my car. I dropped her > at her mothers, but don't think things got much better for her after. She > would not file a police report because she had several times and it came to > naught, which only escalated the abuse. > > It seems to me that the majority of us have a fear of involvement because > it means taking some abuse ourselves from the abuser and his people but > from the system too sometimes. It is easier to walk away, but not more > honorable. > > On the other hand, I have spoken up at times, put myself in harms way, > only to have it work out so that the people I advocate for can flourish. > Buy the ticket, take the ride. Don't expect a thrill every time. > > On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:40:32 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >> >> Latest 'research' in the UK reckons 10% of the CSE problem is stranger- >> gangs and 90% in the home - maybe 600,000 victims in the country. >> Something very similar to this was in the textbooks when I taught social >> admin in the mid-80s. I still don't actually know whether it is true or >> not. >> >> I suspect a much wider problem in a wider, abusive and disabling society. >> Answers, like Soviet Paradise, were never answers at all. What I suspect >> is massive confusion on data - not in the piffling way we might consider >> calling it capta. In a way, scientific and material progress (which I >> regard as real, if with problems) and its run-up against questions on what >> life is and should be about (religion?) seem set against each other to >> prevent argument leading to sensible praxis. It's very difficult to make >> the argument about this - it would be far too long for most to listen and >> contribute. >> >> We have a case here in which Surrey Police gave shotguns back to a man >> who then killed two women with them - the last woman was killed despite >> making a 999 call. The cops commissioned two 'independent' reports from - >> er - other cops - and have apologised. It seems Surrey did not follow >> proper procedures. Even at this level, argument is extremely difficult - >> one only has to imagine what the former ME gun lobby would say. What we >> lack is public argument that gets sensible things done and recognises we >> can't expect perfect outcomes. At what point do we recognise bad outcomes >> are not just inevitable mistakes but concern corruption, incompetence and >> widespread system failure - and that 'enquiries' aren't fixing much, if >> anything, decade on decade? >> >> As a cop who did 'find' victims of CSE, I know that 35 years ago >> "finance" was a major issue in our failure to investigate and prosecute and >> not much has changed. The public has little idea of the cuffing, nodding, >> skewing and fitting that goes on. Police statistics are no better than >> Enron or Tesco accounting, but cops are also a small part of the overall >> problems in a dire criminal justice system. All families let down could >> technically have used Judicial Review to force the proper actions needed - >> but almost no one can afford Judicial Review, a standard legal Catch 22. >> We are now seeing a rush by cops to CSE prosecutions - this really only >> proves they could have done it before. Much the same could be said on >> throwing bankers in jail or the politicians who lied to us or stood by >> doing nothing on Iraq etc. Much of what is going on concerns extremely >> poor work by professionals paid massive sums of money - and the extent to >> which thieves now run so much and our disenfranchisement from resourcing >> decisions. Chief constables are heard saying we can have either action on >> burglaries or child abuse prevention. >> >> All this rot takes place in the mad ideology of >> jawbs-groaf-burn-the-planet financing in which we delay people's retirement >> just as we have massive youth unemployment and require a degree for >> shelf-stacking. We might have to start looking at these matters in terms >> of how the mad might cure themselves. I often think of it all as operating >> under the pheromones of a giant slaver-ant matriarch or set of vampires. >> >> On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 3:28:06 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> The problems are well known, how does one go about changing this boxed >>> society? >>> >>> >>> >>> All an >>> ~~ >>> do not murder, rape, enslave or harm others >> >> -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
