One of the issues Mando is we don't understand much about making things better.
On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:24:08 PM UTC, Molly wrote: > > The rich have a much better time of it here, too, Mando. > > On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 6:46:33 PM UTC-4, Mando wrote: >> >> I am much shock! >> I thought these were only happening on our side of the world ( Africa >> especially Ghana ). I used to blame journalists or the media for that >> matter, for not taking these kind of social issues up till I watched from >> the news that people prefer settling matters concerning rape at home than >> courts, reasons given were many: >> families of victims are too poor to hire lawyer(s), >> they had no time to follow such cases as the courts keep postponing the >> ruling from one date to another, >> they cannot make the case public because the family cannot stand the >> stigmatization... >> >> Woe to you if you do not have a relative in higher authority of the >> nation because only the rich can make the system or law works. A police man >> is willing to assist you if only you have something to offer. 'the poor >> doesn't go to court' as my late grandma would put it >> On Oct 29, 2014 8:43 PM, "Molly" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> What abuse we tolerate in groups large and small has much to do with our >>> inability to face the issues and take action to solve them. Fear prevents >>> people from involvement in these truly terrifying human transgressions and >>> ironically, fear creates the personality disorders in the abusers. I took >>> a pregnant teen parent to the hospital because the father of her kids beat >>> her badly. He showed up at the hospital and began screaming and coming at >>> her. The hospital security would have nothing to do with it unless they >>> witnessed him causing her physical injury again, at which point they would >>> not stop him but call the police. After placing myself between them >>> several times and heated negotiations with the hospital, she and I were >>> given an examining room and he was not allowed to enter. He did pace the >>> waiting room and gave us a hard time all the way to my car. I dropped her >>> at her mothers, but don't think things got much better for her after. She >>> would not file a police report because she had several times and it came to >>> naught, which only escalated the abuse. >>> >>> It seems to me that the majority of us have a fear of involvement >>> because it means taking some abuse ourselves from the abuser and his people >>> but from the system too sometimes. It is easier to walk away, but not more >>> honorable. >>> >>> On the other hand, I have spoken up at times, put myself in harms way, >>> only to have it work out so that the people I advocate for can flourish. >>> Buy the ticket, take the ride. Don't expect a thrill every time. >>> >>> On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:40:32 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>>> >>>> Latest 'research' in the UK reckons 10% of the CSE problem is stranger- >>>> gangs and 90% in the home - maybe 600,000 victims in the country. >>>> Something very similar to this was in the textbooks when I taught social >>>> admin in the mid-80s. I still don't actually know whether it is true or >>>> not. >>>> >>>> I suspect a much wider problem in a wider, abusive and disabling >>>> society. Answers, like Soviet Paradise, were never answers at all. What >>>> I >>>> suspect is massive confusion on data - not in the piffling way we might >>>> consider calling it capta. In a way, scientific and material progress >>>> (which I regard as real, if with problems) and its run-up against >>>> questions >>>> on what life is and should be about (religion?) seem set against each >>>> other >>>> to prevent argument leading to sensible praxis. It's very difficult to >>>> make the argument about this - it would be far too long for most to listen >>>> and contribute. >>>> >>>> We have a case here in which Surrey Police gave shotguns back to a man >>>> who then killed two women with them - the last woman was killed despite >>>> making a 999 call. The cops commissioned two 'independent' reports from - >>>> er - other cops - and have apologised. It seems Surrey did not follow >>>> proper procedures. Even at this level, argument is extremely difficult - >>>> one only has to imagine what the former ME gun lobby would say. What we >>>> lack is public argument that gets sensible things done and recognises we >>>> can't expect perfect outcomes. At what point do we recognise bad outcomes >>>> are not just inevitable mistakes but concern corruption, incompetence and >>>> widespread system failure - and that 'enquiries' aren't fixing much, if >>>> anything, decade on decade? >>>> >>>> As a cop who did 'find' victims of CSE, I know that 35 years ago >>>> "finance" was a major issue in our failure to investigate and prosecute >>>> and >>>> not much has changed. The public has little idea of the cuffing, nodding, >>>> skewing and fitting that goes on. Police statistics are no better than >>>> Enron or Tesco accounting, but cops are also a small part of the overall >>>> problems in a dire criminal justice system. All families let down could >>>> technically have used Judicial Review to force the proper actions needed - >>>> but almost no one can afford Judicial Review, a standard legal Catch 22. >>>> We are now seeing a rush by cops to CSE prosecutions - this really only >>>> proves they could have done it before. Much the same could be said on >>>> throwing bankers in jail or the politicians who lied to us or stood by >>>> doing nothing on Iraq etc. Much of what is going on concerns extremely >>>> poor work by professionals paid massive sums of money - and the extent to >>>> which thieves now run so much and our disenfranchisement from resourcing >>>> decisions. Chief constables are heard saying we can have either action on >>>> burglaries or child abuse prevention. >>>> >>>> All this rot takes place in the mad ideology of >>>> jawbs-groaf-burn-the-planet financing in which we delay people's >>>> retirement >>>> just as we have massive youth unemployment and require a degree for >>>> shelf-stacking. We might have to start looking at these matters in terms >>>> of how the mad might cure themselves. I often think of it all as >>>> operating >>>> under the pheromones of a giant slaver-ant matriarch or set of vampires. >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 3:28:06 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The problems are well known, how does one go about changing this boxed >>>>> society? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> All an >>>>> ~~ >>>>> do not murder, rape, enslave or harm others >>>> >>>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
