The Coop means the 7/11 down the road here Allan, though it opens as 6 and 
shuts at 10.  I would like to give one a try in the living sense.  Did in 
Spain years back but couldn't afford to stay.

On Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:52:09 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> What owners association? 
> The idea behind a coop is there are no owners.  And no one can own part of 
> it. (Church of Common Cooperation) guidelines set up. Either you follow the 
> guidelines or move else where.
> You pay your rent, do your community responsibilities, participate in 
> community affairs and activities..  It can not be a place to pay your rent 
> then hide away.
>
> All an
> ~~
> do not murder, rape, enslave or harm others
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Molly <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Who can we tell?
>
> developing those common standards might be a sticky wicket.  I always 
> cringe when asked to be on a committee to review by-laws, and have managed 
> to dodge owners associations without exception. Oh the horror.
>
> On Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:46:39 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>
>> There is a lot of major problems world wide. I don't think realistically 
>> you can gate an entire town. But an apartment complex can be ..  I think 
>> the keys lay within a common moral standards agreement and non ownership.  
>> Lack of ownership would allow for removal of those that do not follow the 
>> guidelines ... (Unfortunately i do not think a regular hanging of Me or 
>> Tony would solve any problems).
>>
>> All an
>> ~~
>> do not murder, rape, enslave or harm others
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 10:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Who can we tell?
>>
>> Hanging might be less cruel than suffering some of the cop, social worker 
>> and other town hall incompetence.   A lot of the kids lied to me Molly - 
>> quite common in abuse cases - over stuff I could check up on.  Some even 
>> tried to chat me up etc.  Given we have known forever that many abuse cases 
>> are not independently witnessed and victims are incredibly easy to 
>> discredit, I'm amazed we don't routinely bug to get independent evidence - 
>> I even hid in a wardrobe to get one perp.  Given people catch their nannies 
>> doing things wrong on CCTV, you'd think we could work a system out for 
>> abuse.
>>
>> I've often thought we could go back to something more like village life 
>> by gating off in our existing towns.
>>
>> Tony is probably the only one of us who gets hung regularly.
>>
>> On Thursday, October 30, 2014 8:09:33 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>
>>> Good idea Tony, hope you are never the victim. (Hmmm)
>>>
>>> You have a job i would not envy, times are hard and will be getting 
>>> harder.. It seems to me there is an ever increasing desire for war from all 
>>> sides.  
>>>
>>> Been thinking about my dad and the men's coop.  Considering the down 
>>> slide in morality, the coop idea might have possibilities especially when 
>>> coupled  with a gated community.
>>> My idea is the community would be owned by the coop .. ( say a block of 
>>> apartments) To become a member of the gated or coop you have to live to a 
>>> set of moral commitments. (Including spousal abuse , drug use (guidelines 
>>> would need to be developed. (lol right after we hang Tony for something he 
>>> might do or could have done..  (",)
>>>
>>> All an
>>> ~~
>>> do not murder, rape, enslave or harm others
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "'facilitator' via \"Minds Eye\"" <[email protected]>
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 7:21 AM
>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Who can we tell?
>>>
>>> Iran has seem to have solved the problem by being able to hang the 
>>> victim.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 9:40:49 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
>>>>
>>>> BBC's 'Panorama' produced a documentary last night on 'Baby P' - Peter 
>>>> Connelly killed at 17 months after much abuse 7 years ago.  The 
>>>> perpetrators were jailed, scum of little interest.  There was a serious 
>>>> case review, generally a hapless procedure of whitewash here.  It now 
>>>> seems 
>>>> this and other reports were a fix to pin blame on social services - in 
>>>> fact 
>>>> all agencies involved were useless, social services perhaps less so than 
>>>> the politicians and others.  Obviously, no reasonable society would want 
>>>> this kind of vicious cover-up at all or not to know what really went on 
>>>> for 
>>>> 7 years, given we should want to put things right (the 'learning lessons' 
>>>> rhetoric).
>>>>
>>>> Britain is an intensely secretive society.  I don't even know why we 
>>>> got involved in the two world wars, let alone Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and 
>>>> Syria.  When I think of Gabby or Germans I have actually met, I have even 
>>>> less idea on the world wars.  I doubt ignorance is my problem in this - 
>>>> it's just clear the general stuff we are given is bunk.  When one 
>>>> researches social issues from war to child abuse, the reality shifts a 
>>>> long 
>>>> way from the history of Empire I was taught and the idea our politicians 
>>>> and bureaucracy operate in any competent way.
>>>>
>>>> In another case, in Rotherham, more than 1400 victims of child sexual 
>>>> exploitation were further abused by all the services they encountered.  In 
>>>> this case, a young, female Home Office researcher had her work destroyed 
>>>> and was threatened by two police officers who said they were going to give 
>>>> her name and address to the abusers.  There are so many other cases I 
>>>> doubt 
>>>> I could finish writing their outline within a couple of days.  This is 
>>>> before one thinks about our banks and business practices, and revolting 
>>>> breaches of trust by priests, teachers and cops.
>>>>
>>>> Who can we even tell when it is almost impossible to think of any 
>>>> speedy and fair investigations and resolutions - or even admissions of 
>>>> wrong-doing by our establishments?  This before you realise cops and other 
>>>> agencies quickly brief against victims and other complainants.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
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