"The essential control of positive money is that one commits to do work for 
it."  Around here, we call that a paycheck.


On Monday, November 10, 2014 7:06:56 AM UTC-5, archytas wrote:
>
> I'm more with Andrew on this one Allan.  We have a debate on positive 
> money in the UK Parliament this month.  The actual aim of PM is to 
> establish democratic control on money printing instead of ceding it to the 
> banks and rich.  In the MMT version we could even do away with taxes and 
> the use of monetary policy through unemployment and austerity.
>
> We have long been able to make fuel from thin air - the snag is one has to 
> put a lot more energy in than what comes out as petrol, ammonia and so on - 
> in this economic system it is cheaper to mine coal, drill oil, frack gas 
> because we don't account for pollution and planet burning.  We let people 
> amass money and buy politicians with it.  All this is clearly immoral but 
> we don't seem to care.
>
> PM and new tech controls could be a way round the current impasse - and it 
> could start with some practical projects designed to get the 
> proportionality of the system right and find that transparency that 
> prevents corruption.  Just as in child sexual exploitation, a big question 
> is who can we tell?  The current system is a dreadful mess, but we like to 
> pretend it isn't.  If we dislike the Bitcoin of Silk Road we should also 
> see the banks are admitting to gross money-laundering.
>
> The essential control of positive money is that one commits to do work for 
> it.
>
> On Monday, November 10, 2014 10:49:55 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>
>> Bit coins are nothing but counterfeit money created with a mining 
>> program. Almost banksters looks mean bitcoinster. What you are talking 
>> about is legal counterfeiting with no controls..
>> I have an laptop. I will sell them to you for current Euro value I will 
>> even take Swiss francs anything but bucking..if they are so valuable it 
>> should be no problem for you..
>>
>> Luv free money. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: andrew vecsey <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Sent: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 11:24 AM
>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Who can we tell?
>>
>> Niel, you would also have to convert dollars to Swiss Francs if you 
>> wanted to buy coffee in a Swiss coffee shop. Money, in order to be 
>> "honest", needs to be trusted, adopted, difficult to forge, scarce, and 
>> easy to carry around and divide into small amounts. Decentralized crypto 
>> currencies like Bitcoin seems to me to be the best and only candidate at 
>> the present time.      
>> Molly, I think it would be much safer to store your "money" in your 
>> secret place than in vault of greedy criminal banksters.  
>>
>> On Monday, November 10, 2014 3:03:55 AM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>>>
>>> Bitcoin per se isn't more than a basic tutor on what money might be, 
>>> reminding us we have little clue about banking dominance.......Meanwhile we 
>>> have such important developments as 'Bitcoin cafes' - where you can pay a 
>>> machine a fee to change dollars to Bitcoin to buy 'coffee'.
>>>
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