Hmm thought accoeding Hinduism concousness returned to Brahma ~~ لا القتل، والاغتصاب أو استعباد الآخرين Do not murder, rape or enslave others
-----Original Message----- From: RP Singh <[email protected]> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 3:44 Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Mysticism Consciousness is in the brain , which is an integral part of the body. When we are brain- dead there is no consciousness. AS for the universal Consciousness there is no such thing , rather there is the universal unconsciousness , a state from which everything evolves On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > "In the field of consciousness research—and also in physics and > astronomy—we are breaking past the cause-and-effect, mechanistic way of > interpreting things. In the biological sciences, there is a vitalism coming > in that goes much further toward positing a common universal consciousness > of which our brain is simply an organ. Consciousness does not come from the > brain. The brain is an organ of consciousness. It focuses consciousness and > pulls it in and directs it through a time and space field. But the > antecedent of that is the universal consciousness of which we are all just > a part." > > Joseph Campbell in Mythic World's, Modern Words, p. 286 > > On Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:46:21 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >> >> I should say that my relationship with Hautes Etudes Commericiales was >> not good. The place was founded by Napoleon. Key learning on the short >> course is: >> >> Who is the individual >> How to engage? >> How to resist? >> How to rearrange? >> Why management matters >> >> One wonders how our smartest need to be taught this as adults, often 24 >> plus at HEC, and how schools produce us in the mystical state of not >> knowing our arses from our elbows. >> >> On Sunday, December 21, 2014 5:33:19 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>> >>> Agreed Molly - I can only critique your model out of respect for it not >>> demanding gullible followership. This film - a rather juvenile one - >>> inspired by Chris Hedge's 'Death of the Liberal Class' does hint at some of >>> the structural problems - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH6UynI5m7Y - >>> it is Facilitaresque in some ways. Tony might inject more humour in the >>> bleakness and maybe more striking images. >>> >>> There remains the issue of mass forgetting and propaganda in the current >>> moment. The CEO of Apple has found it easy enough to come out as gay, but >>> seems to have no conception of his oppression of others in the black heart >>> pursuit of profit. How has he come to that point? How is the dirty-hands >>> claque applauding current vile CEO behaviour created and what role does >>> this play in scrutiny of the moment? Does the construction of the moment >>> bear any relation of the construction of other moments? Does self matter >>> at all if it is so malleable by 'outside structuration' - as often seems >>> the case, say, in the prevention and destruction of worker solidarity by >>> sensitivity-trained CEOs. Hitler granted German unions a May Day holiday >>> and parade, then closed them down forever the day after. The 'great self' >>> working by beggaring all neighbours to weakness is surely not our quest. >>> >>> https://www.coursera.org/course/orgology = We are in constant >>> relationship with many organizations. Our world is submitted to regular >>> changes as organizations evolve, come and go. Understanding your >>> memberships and attachments to organizations will help you act on your >>> world. You'll learn how to evaluate the influence of organizations around >>> you and how to transform your relationships to reach a stronger coherence. >>> >>> I know I would feel better in a course Molly was organising - but this >>> is partly because I would not be the same person in such a group as the one >>> with an itchy trigger finger in respect of politicians and the overseers of >>> Chinese labour making i-Phones. >>> >>> On Sunday, December 21, 2014 4:10:54 PM UTC, Molly wrote: >>>> >>>> I am not sure that we need to rely so much on our historical >>>> autobiography as current noetic make-up. In as much as everything we have >>>> ever experienced leads us to this moment, maybe, but it is recognition in >>>> this moment that lends our view. I also see no need to exclude other from >>>> self, as it is through relatedness comes understanding of both in an >>>> inclusive, not exclusive model. >>>> >>>> On Saturday, December 20, 2014 8:31:23 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >>>>> >>>>> As humans, we are intrigued by who we are and how we differ from other >>>>> creatures of evolution. Among the capacities thought to be uniquely human >>>>> are autonoetic consciousness, >>>>> the aspect of self-awareness that allows us to imagine our own >>>>> experiences in different places at other times, and theory of mind (ToM), >>>>> which allows us to infer other people’s current >>>>> mental states. The idea that ToM is closely related to, and that it >>>>> may depend on, episodic memory and autonoetic consciousness seems >>>>> perfectly >>>>> natural: that in order to imagine and make sense of other people’s >>>>> thoughts, feelings, intentions, and actions, we must rely on our >>>>> autobiographical recollections. The ability to consciously recollect past >>>>> personal happenings has been shown to be necessary for imagining coherent >>>>> and detailed personal happenings in the future. Both episodic memory and >>>>> ToM emerge close in time in ontogenetic development. The neural substrate >>>>> on which the two abilities rely is in many ways strikingly similar. >>>>> >>>>> This might just accord with Molly's notions of self-development - that >>>>> one needs to get self right before making sense of or enjoying the world >>>>> and understanding others and how we might choose to live. Idealism can >>>>> turn in on itself, with the world seen as cynical and frustrating the >>>>> ideals - mysticism looking like thousands of years of flowery failure by >>>>> people with time to think it up in personal situations of exploitation of >>>>> sweat off others' backs. The grim Mike Leigh film 'Naked' makes such >>>>> points. >>>>> >>>>> One might say that actually living and working alongside others is >>>>> better than making it all up mystically from self could be a better start >>>>> than introspection amongst other chattering class types. In respect of >>>>> the >>>>> first paragraph above, I found a dire shortage of people who did have >>>>> accurate autobiography to work from. My own is particularly suspect. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:33:27 AM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Amsterdam politicians have been apt to talk of levelling the red >>>>>> lights and replacing them with a red carpet to the museums and theatre. >>>>>> I >>>>>> liked the piano barge. In another form of mysticism one can see what >>>>>> lies >>>>>> beneath. Der Wallen is a place to see trafficking and exploitation, then >>>>>> throw up. I did a coffee shop instead - walking red light districts is >>>>>> like unpaid overtime to me. Took the technicolour yawner on a tram to >>>>>> see >>>>>> some flower fields. Beauty is fine until you think of it as 'not ugly', >>>>>> thus making ugliness and disability some kind of sin. >>>>>> >>>>>> Personally, I love mindful mindlessness as the basis of being able to >>>>>> do nothing. Tried it on this laptop the other day before effecting a >>>>>> cure >>>>>> with the soldering iron. Mysticism can be good, but also mystification. >>>>>> Angels and devils again. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, December 20, 2014 10:27:49 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The museums of Amsterdam are great, somethings are good with much >>>>>>> that is os question. I do not like wandering around their either. You >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> right it is in the eye if the beholder. Greatfully it is out of >>>>>>> bicycling >>>>>>> range Leiden is 10 km one way Den Haag (Den Hague) 10 km a different >>>>>>> direction the difference between the two is Lieden is a city where as >>>>>>> Den >>>>>>> Haag is i oversize town and does not qualify as a city by dutch law. >>>>>>> Everything is a matter of perspective. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ~~ >>>>>>> لا القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد أو إيذاء الآخرين >>>>>>> Do not murder, rape, enslave or harm others >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 23:03 >>>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Mysticism >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A guy I didn't like walked through Amsterdam's red light district >>>>>>> with me years ago. He threw up over the nearest canal bridge. I rather >>>>>>> liked his mystic summary of the place. Reality, one suspects, is not in >>>>>>> the eye of the beholder. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, December 20, 2014 9:10:24 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To quote >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "mysticism is the art of union with Reality." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "The old story of Eyes and No-Eyes is really the story of the >>>>>>>> mystical and unmystical types. "No-Eyes" has fixed his attention on the >>>>>>>> fact that he is obliged to take a walk. For him the chief factor of >>>>>>>> existence is his own movement along the road; a movement which he >>>>>>>> intends >>>>>>>> to accomplish as efficiently and comfortably as he can. He asks not to >>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>> what may >>>>>>>> be on either side of the hedges. He ignores the caress of the wind >>>>>>>> until it threatens to remove his hat. He trudges along, steadily, >>>>>>>> diligently; avoiding the muddy pools, but oblivious of the light >>>>>>>> which they reflect. >>>>>>>> "Eyes" takes the walk too: and for him it is a perpetual >>>>>>>> revelation of beauty and wonder. The sunlight inebriates him, the winds >>>>>>>> delight him, the very effort of the journey is a joy. Magic presences >>>>>>>> throng the roadside, or cry salutations to him >>>>>>>> from the hidden fields. The rich world through which he moves lies >>>>>>>> in the fore-ground of his consciousness; and it gives up new secrets >>>>>>>> to him >>>>>>>> at every step. "No-Eyes," when told of his adventures adventures, >>>>>>>> usually >>>>>>>> refuses to believe that both have gone by the same road. He fancies >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> his companion has been floating about in the air, or beset by agreeable >>>>>>>> hallucinations. We shall never >>>>>>>> persuade him to the contrary unless we persuade him to look for >>>>>>>> himself." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ~~ >>>>>>>> لا القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد أو إيذاء الآخرين >>>>>>>> Do not murder, rape, enslave or harm others >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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