Gosh Gabby - that prose is an art work.  Only jealousy would have me assume 
it just badly translated German.  Some time back I found a novel in which 
Plato's cave had been discovered in Portugal and turned into a tourist 
attraction.  The Portuguese could write a dozen novels based on lines from 
your paragraph, all later mothered as Hollywood films pretending to be 
Indie.  I imagine Jupiter rather like NW England, only with more energy in 
the weather and less interminable prattle about it.  The red spot probably 
has nothing on you and Allan going at it hammer and tongue.  Just look what 
Rebecca Watson has done with being asked for a cup of coffee at 4 am in an 
elevator by Richard Dawkins.  Lacking an elevator with a coffee machine, 
could we start the commercial venture with my inappropriate expression of 
adoration here?  The others otherness can easily be dismissed as ignorant 
lack of reading and commitment to post-modernist feminism and both of us 
will soon be in the position to exploit markets as victims of each other 
with your 3-D gossip algorithm of hyper-text cave painting.

We could sex it up, for the inevitable action-flick, with a search for a 
miraculous Ark in competition with the FeminNaziInventors and Judith Butler 
doing a Lady Godiva cameo on a symbolic donkey saving the day in a boss 
fight with the Netherlander silversmith thought to be originating the 
world's grump.  Allan survives as we plan to make the sequel from bits on 
the cutting-room floor and the surprising popularity of your spats with him 
in the teen market.  Sales would rocket if we can get Dawkins to admit to 
God to pelvic thrusting gangster rap performed by porn-feminists (Club 90).

Seriously Gabby, and I am assured you don't think I am, have a look at this 
by Moreland - 
 
http://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=Ru7SBQAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PT13&dq=feminism&ots=DXTwndIRBZ&sig=xwcjBL6RYAFJv4HJeB1Mu5owRfU#v=onepage&q=feminism&f=false
 
-
we can barely symbolise the absurdity, except, perhaps, by blaming Allan's 
sig line.

On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 14:14:09 UTC, Gabby wrote:
>
> Thank you very much for speaking out once more, Andrew. As for the 
> painting in negative light, I really think we need an update into the more 
> dimensional world. I have seen so many 
> if-only-those-m****f****-had-their-shadows-integrated paintings these days 
> that I ask myself when we will be sold the cave equation as the latest 
> 3D shit? Do no harm was better than all the succeeding do not&avoid others 
> otherings - in the felt absence of external power the cavewall paintings 
> become more and more alive to fill the vacuum. Wrong way Allan.
>
> Am Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2015 schrieb andrew vecsey :
>
>> Allan. I once apologized for your hypocrisy and rudeness to a new member 
>> and you got very angry at me for speaking on your behalf. And now you did 
>> the same thing to Gabby. By painting Gabby in a negative light to a new 
>> member is not very nice. What happened to your old signature that stated 
>> "Do not hurt others"??  Hypocrisy and ignorance go very well together.   
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 14, 2015 at 7:54:25 AM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>
>>> To Sue Linda i hope you are reading and i was looking forward to reading 
>>> your view point. 
>>> I apologise for Gabbies out burst, forgetting to greet you. She has a 
>>> dislike for my sig line  and makes it well known.. so you understand. She 
>>> told ud she was God's mom. The pains of child birth could be heard through 
>>> out the universe with the intense pain turned Gabby into a natural grouch 
>>> which has lasted for billion of years.. 
>>> Hope you join us sincerely . There is always a internet pause that is no 
>>> fault of ours bùt rather one of the US home land security desìre to coppy 
>>> all the internet gabber..
>>>
>>>
>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres
>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 1:08 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Welcome Sue Linda - and time 4 billion years on
>>>
>>> Sue Linda may be gone.  I did sign her up within a few hours of 
>>> application and click her off moderation.  Seems the inability to instant 
>>> post puts most off.  Hence gassing with Al.  Seems the way of things.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 13 January 2015 22:28:45 UTC, Gabby wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Whose reality are you referring to, Allan? How does it contribute to 
>>>> welcoming Sue Linda? You have your granted advertising space for your 
>>>> sub-messages and you have started a Paris thread, but since there is 
>>>> no feedback traffic you hijack the next best thread for your purpose. And 
>>>> I 
>>>> tell you those in power know exactly about that reality.  
>>>>
>>>> Am Dienstag, 13. Januar 2015 22:02:48 UTC+1 schrieb Allan Heretic:
>>>>>
>>>>> The fight for freedom is not new. Niether is the war on terrorism ..  
>>>>> those want to freedom will be free. Just how it will happen but it will.
>>>>>
>>>>> Times are changing.  And what think no longer matters. Those in power 
>>>>> well what do they know about reality. ..
>>>>>
>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres
>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Sent: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 9:40 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Welcome Sue Linda - and time 4 billion years on
>>>>>
>>>>> My view is we don't have freedom of expression and the media is in the 
>>>>> way.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 7:26:14 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After thought i was watching the news  .. the other demonstration are 
>>>>>> what the news can deal with and promote. As the can stand off with noses 
>>>>>> high in the air  ..  Paris demonstrations are againt terrorism. It was a 
>>>>>> memorial march to remember those killed and for the freedom of speech.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres
>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 1:18 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Welcome Sue Linda - and time 4 billion years 
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you calling me a Frenchman Allan?  The last Scottish royals were 
>>>>>> all French (Robert le Bruce to the Stewarts) and took over England too, 
>>>>>> before letting the Dutch and Germans take over.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, January 12, 2015 at 9:36:39 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well that is what happens to a humble silversmith (not).. that is 
>>>>>>> what happens when you are  not Scottish royalty. .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Side entrances arevgreat for entering unnoticed. .an excellent 
>>>>>>> example is the fine gentleman that went in and visited the english 
>>>>>>> gueen.. 
>>>>>>> proof positive of...  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Welcome Sue.  Looking forward to hear what you have to say.
>>>>>>>  (",)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres
>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 10:11 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Welcome Sue Linda - and time 4 billion years 
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The drawbridge is there - at the front.  You've been using the 
>>>>>>> tradesmans' entrance at the side.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, January 12, 2015 at 3:04:53 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Welcome Sue to minds eye..  i believe things have guiet because of 
>>>>>>>> the happenings in Paris.  Neil is protected by a large moat without a 
>>>>>>>> drawbridge. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually yesterday's response is a fantastic notice to terrorist.  
>>>>>>>> Not in my name -- I am Charlie. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>>>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres
>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 3:49 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Welcome Sue Linda - and time 4 billion years on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Sue Linda.  Feel free to join in.  We are a bit quiet at the 
>>>>>>>> moment, though sometimes manage to get ourselves going.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So what would the implications of time be 4 billion years on?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. Would some archaeological historian be writing the relatively 
>>>>>>>> short history of an ape species with a deformed 24th chromosome pair, 
>>>>>>>> with 
>>>>>>>> evidence from the remains of a planet 'crisped' by its red giant star?
>>>>>>>> 2. Could we 'travel' to the future if a species with 4 billion 
>>>>>>>> years more civilisation (now) happened along to colonise Mars and had 
>>>>>>>> a 
>>>>>>>> good neighbour intervention policy concerning 'primitives libidinising 
>>>>>>>> themselves to over-population and planet burning'?
>>>>>>>> 3. Would even what we now think of as particles have developed 4 
>>>>>>>> billion years on in the evolving universe?
>>>>>>>> 4. How would anyone returning to the present explain her years with 
>>>>>>>> the advanced civilisation to we 'plebs'?
>>>>>>>> 5. What of techniques of future profiling we have now and their 
>>>>>>>> role in imagining and bringing change - a classic is called 'science 
>>>>>>>> fiction prototyping' - imagine the social structure of the future to 
>>>>>>>> work 
>>>>>>>> out which products we should be working on now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm particularly interested on how science fiction makes the future 
>>>>>>>> full of our present and traditions - an example to me of 
>>>>>>>> non-imagination 
>>>>>>>> writ large and entertainment as diversion from creative practical 
>>>>>>>> solutions.  Sci-fi mags are full of guidelines not to write this 
>>>>>>>> dross, but 
>>>>>>>> publish nothing else - chronic stuff like looking down at pot-holes 
>>>>>>>> with 
>>>>>>>> steel-toothed rats lurking at the bottom - standard fare on the walk 
>>>>>>>> home 
>>>>>>>> after a few beers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some might remember Wittgenstein used to imagine up tribes and how 
>>>>>>>> they would have to invent language - so we might understand the nature 
>>>>>>>> of 
>>>>>>>> language without the preconceptions of the stuff we use out of habit.  
>>>>>>>> Imagine coming back here after years with a 4 billion year old 
>>>>>>>> civilisation 
>>>>>>>> where honesty is the best policy because there is a technological 
>>>>>>>> telepathy 
>>>>>>>> and trying to talk to others about it.
>>>>>>>>
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