I'm with the first line Allan.  I'd guess the correct German would be Ich 
bin Berliner rather than what JFK said.  I wouldn't use my time machine to 
go back and stop the guy to ensure we didn't have to 'put up with' Gabby. 
 Of course, if Gladstone had had his way, your Confederate sabre would have 
ended up on the winning side until the Brits, Russians and French took over 
and divided up the US.

On Thursday, 15 January 2015 08:51:16 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> Yes you are correct almost. The reason there is the on going problems is 
> conservitive cowards that are afraid to stand up for anything just so the 
> don't disturb their pitiful realities.
> June 26 1963 the news headlines read. "Ich bin ein Berliner" the terrorism 
> of soviet communism was stood up to.
> Today i am called names cursed at .. if the attitude displayed by gabby 
> was taken in 1963..  where would Gabby be.. would we even know her?
> What am I listening to.
> Incedently ww2 was cemented into action in 1919 with the treaty people 
> were forced to sign that ended ww1..
>
>
> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres
> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: archytas <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 4:29 AM
> Subject: Mind's Eye So what's wrong with je suis charlie?
>
> Killing cartoonists clearly can't be allowed.  There is no absolute 
> authority for jihad, crusades or lacking a self-depreciating sense of 
> humour prepared to rip loved ones from the lives of relatives and friends. 
>  The most common 'cause' of killing and war in primitive societies is 
> revenge, generally pretty dumb.
>
> On the day Charlie Hebdo was struck, Boko Haram was doing much worse in 
> Nigeria and 2000 died.  Yemen was pasted again.  25 million or so have died 
> in wars after WW2 and any number of people have had peaceful lives 
> destroyed by various forms of imperialism.  We understand revenge films 
> where the child not slaughtered by Barbarians grows to destroy them.  There 
> are at least questions we should be asking on whether fundamentalist Islam 
> is radicalising terrorists, or the various imperialisms and the conditions 
> these create in countries kept poor and run by installed despots.
>
> Institutional religion is no use to me and I detest the hostility of those 
> believers who would have me respect belief in superstition,clearly false 
> history, varieties of justified sexism, racism, apartheid and selfish 
> chosen-peopleism.  This extends far beyond religion and to false ideas that 
> the Greek Enlightenment was the zenith of civilisation. This was a sexist, 
> racist, slave economy.  Western democratic free trade liberalism is such a 
> lie as to be merely another control fraud, not the end of history.
>
> There is little clarity.  We stand as Charlie for free speech, yet do 
> nothing against indecent Saudi floggings and beheadings. We have never 
> produced democratic foreign policy, population control or sustained peace. 
>  Now we are arresting people protesting publicly against Charlie, somewhat 
> contradictory to say the least.  All that seems clear is that we are all 
> Charleys, without much of a system to openly discuss what is wrong, leaving 
> tyranny anywhere a threat to freedom everywhere.
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