You have to accept before you do and if you cannot accept the process stops. You have to keep some framework in your conscious mind to keep a conscious check on yourself and it is not a creed but a way of living , trying to improve yourself as a person. Now what wrong could be there in having self-respect and not being arrogant , what wrong in not being greedy and not have anger issues. If you want to stop smoking you have to first take the decision to stop , then only can you give the effort.
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:02 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't really do creed Allan. Found too many people who talk them and > mean none. Chris' statement is probably as close as I get, but this soon > doesn't work in practice. Doing no harm to others quickly proves > difficult. We do this in the West simply by living as we do, praying to the > Lord or otherwise. In some philosophy, all speech has a hostile element,as > does censorship on what can be said. > > The first thing for me is evidence. This is an extremely difficult > topic. Molly's God is quite acceptable to me, but my evidence is not > direct. I only feel 'him' in her words (even this in evidence terms is > inadequate - 'words' - we have never met). > The next is probably what Allan is trying to do here. I have some > conception of myself as a person and the turmoil of my thought and making > sense of stuff. Other people have often proved to have much better (and > much worse) ideas and been prepared to share them. George Kelly springs to > my mind on this - http://www.centrepcp.co.uk/whatis.htm - and personal > construct theory. > I approve Allan's efforts here (though it's important to me he need no > such approval) - but immediately think we have a lot of material from all > over the world and hundreds of different cultures (there are this many on > Papua New Guinea alone). What of the evidence we have from them, against > our predominantly 'white insularity'? > Evidence, imagination and trying to do the right thing. Read about > Socrates in Plato, but remember the fine words came from the free table at > the head of a slave society. Hear about the Good Samaritan, but wonder why > we still have a society of 'worthies' that just pass on by, perhaps to > their church of peace. > > Gabby doesn't live down a rabbit hole in Seven Acres Park Allan. I > thought she might not be answering the dogs' knocks because she doesn't > like me, so asked the woman with the ferrets (she is real) to have them > check. The world of imagination is such that when Gabbs says 'it smells in > here' it could be because she has just come in, or she may be the little > child pointing out the Emperor is naked. Language is harder than we > think. I have 'one smart little cookie' in mind about Gabby. This could be > chronic sexism, patronising, an insult to cookies - or a quick utter of > something I think that isn't quite that - or an offer to be beaten up by > politically correct bullies. Walk with me into the rabbit hole of !Kung > society - we would find no adult twins and we might ponder genetics - in > fact, infanticide is common in their tough world. Would we think badly of > them? They have creed. > > It goes dark at night, therefore big bang. I prefer the way scientists > explain this to instruments of torture. Doing no harm to others collapses > with je suis charlie. Religion sounds very selfish to me. Yet one can > admire Salvation Army people doing a soup run, despite their views on > homosexuality. Would I kill the second born twin? Down the !Kung rabbit > hole I probably would as !Kung. So where does creed come from? > > I'd like us to live in evidence based practice. Why we still speak of > creed in today's world of Public Relations appals me. > > > On Sunday, February 1, 2015 at 10:07:28 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> Neil are you sure Cabbies hiding in a rabbit hole?? Would like the >> guidelines she and the rest of the ME following.. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> >> To: Minds-Eye <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 9:13 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >> >> It's difficult to boil something as complex as personal moral relativism >> down into some simple edicts. I suppose the closest I could add would be: >> >> - If it harms none, do as you will. >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I hope others doctrine their personal moral ideas to the discussion. >>> The more we have the better ,, that includes you Chris. And Neil. >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 3:37 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>> >>> My moral compass >>> Don't fear anything , but use your reasoning faculty to do the right >>> thing. >>> do not covet but earn and save for the needs of yourself and family. >>> Do not be lustful but be happy with your spouse. >>> Do not be arrogant but respect yourself and others. >>> Don't be angry but take care to do your duties. >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> If you want a social experiment we need to set up moral guidelines from >>>> which to work.. if you disagree with them that is fine. ,, no problem.. >>>> just remember it really is a social experiment,, you need to come up with >>>> what your personal moral compass to replace it.. it is not a cut and paste >>>> exercise. My compass is around 500 created in length,, presentations >>>> should around that length. >>>> >>>> My Compass: >>>> >>>> Love the Allfather with my whole Soul & being... >>>> Love my neighbor as myself >>>> As I judge other so too will I be judge >>>> Do No Harm >>>> Avoid murder, rape or enslavement of others >>>> Avoid being enslaved by possessions >>>> ~~~※☆※~~~ >>>> Jesus said "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all >>>> things are plain in the light of Heaven. 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