No indeed, I stopped trying to stop any drama from playing out long ago and learned that what I was called to do at any given time, though it may be layered in many dramatic scenarios, required me only to act in alignment with my own heart. (and when I say heart, I am including reason and all ingredients of my being as I am currently aware.) As you suggest, the fact that everyone may or may not do this does not eliminate the problems of the world.
On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 10:28:22 AM UTC-5, archytas wrote: > > It is true, in some way, that to resist an oppressor is to maintain the > oppression. On might quibble that nothing is left to learn once one has > your light. Please send me someone with it to the laboratory so I can quit > all that mathematical bother. More seriously, there is always some > pre-supposition we don't think of. Numbers and symbols looked at to > identify consciousness assume sight and are already structured with > multiple form as stimuli. The blind were conscious last time I asked and > consciousness is much wider than sight, even in brains. We were all born > yesterday in a world complete with fossil record and memories - actually, > if you think of what repeats on television this is true! > > I doubt there is an inch between us Molly. One of the saddest things is > how difficult it is to tell whether holiness is well-intentioned or not. > Across history the answer would be mostly not. I expect you wouldn't have > tried to stop this atheist cop as was nick your church's paedophile priests. > > On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 1:51:28 PM UTC, Molly wrote: >> >> Yes, Neil, you can't get to the unity from the separation without the >> paradox, that each is inherent in the other. You have your own wonderful >> way of railing against that with example after example of horrible >> historical accounts, whether textbook or personal. I learn from it. thanks. >> >> On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 8:10:35 AM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >>> >>> Molly - we've been friends too long for you to think I mean this in any >>> nasty sense - but this is also the fascist credo. Quite obviously not what >>> you mean and something I'm sure you stand against. Once you have the >>> light, not grounded in Reason, it excuses anything. Reason itself is even >>> problematic once one becomes so sure you have it. Candy rots teeth. >>> >>> We might get round the problems with love. It didn't help Moses any >>> with the Midianites and seems a rather vain hope. I had a friend who >>> wished she had been born good. Temptation to the directive light is >>> obvious. Yet this and other 'inner subjective' claims are the easiest to >>> lie about. Of course, the only enlivening part of the Bible for me was >>> Doubting Thomas. I suppose number one for me is wondering whether the >>> preacher is any different from a double-glazing salesman. >>> >>> Heidegger argues that, in the present crisis, we are waiting for a god >>> who will reawaken us to the poetic, and thereby enable us to dwell in the >>> fourfold. This task certainly seems to be a noble one. Unfortunately, >>> however, it plunges us into the murkiest and most controversial region of >>> the Heideggerian intellectual landscape, his infamous involvement with >>> Nazism. Heidegger sometimes seems to use the term ‘god’ or ‘divinity’ to >>> refer to a heroic figure (a cultural template) who may initiate (or help to >>> initiate) a transformational event in the history of Being by opening up an >>> alternative clearing. These heroic figures are the grounders of the abyss, >>> the restorers of sacredness (Allan's avatars, perhaps). >>> >>> Which brings me to my second. I want to know from real history, not >>> text rendered holy. This may be because I'm Protestant and don't like >>> priests telling me where to learn from. >>> >>> Molly always get me going! >>> >>> On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 12:09:48 PM UTC, Molly wrote: >>>> >>>> At some point, we give up all the do nots and live according to a >>>> guiding light (is it a principle?) that needs no words, but includes all >>>> creation in love. (sacred heart of Christ? Am sure each form of faith has >>>> a >>>> symbol for it) Until we know this (and have to feel it first) creeds and >>>> moral compasses, affirmations and mantras, candy in many forms sweetens >>>> the >>>> pot we sit on. >>>> >>>> On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 6:55:20 AM UTC-5, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The objective is a social experiment.. starting with a moral >>>>> guideline. Or as RP put it creed which is probably Is better word to >>>>> use.. >>>>> >>>>> I have cut and pasted the different moral guides members use in day to >>>>> day life.. they are submitted for easier study. >>>>> >>>>> Love the Allfather with my whole Soul & being... >>>>> Love my neighbor as myself >>>>> As I judge other so too will I be judge >>>>> Do No Harm >>>>> Avoid murder, rape or enslavement of others >>>>> Avoid being enslaved by possessions >>>>> >>>>> Molly :-) >>>>> It’s a Sufi saying: Before you speak, let your words pass through >>>>> three gates. At the first gate, ask yourself ‘Is is true.’ At the second >>>>> gate ask, ‘Is it necessary.’ At the third gate ask, ‘Is it kind. >>>>> >>>>> RP :-) >>>>> My moral compass >>>>> Don't fear anything , but use your reasoning faculty to do the right >>>>> thing. >>>>> do not covet but earn and save for the needs of yourself and family. >>>>> Do not be lustful but be happy with your spouse. >>>>> Do not be arrogant but respect yourself and others. >>>>> Don't be angry but take care to do your duties. >>>>> >>>>> Chris: >>>>> If it harms none, do as you will. :-) >>>>> >>>>> Neil: >>>>> I don't really do creed Allan. Found too many people who talk them >>>>> and mean none. >>>>> >>>>> Molly made a comment about the end of my own submission which I >>>>> thought was valid so I chopped it.. only because it was my own >>>>> submission >>>>> I felt free to modify without group input. >>>>> >>>>> All of the submissions I found fascinating. The award for the most >>>>> original goes to RP. The difference in cultures shows up well. His >>>>> submission is extremely honest.. Molly's is an excellent way of handing >>>>> the >>>>> events of day to day basis. Chris's guide is another of wicca in general >>>>> (a >>>>> poor attempt humor) ☆ "burning at the stake is not allowed" . Neil's no >>>>> guideline and reasons given are very valid, showing effort not to fall >>>>> into >>>>> te next category. >>>>> >>>>> This category can maybe best described as a cork (being nice) >>>>> floating in the ocean of humanity being tossed around by whichever >>>>> direction the wind is blowing or the current flowing caught within the >>>>> gyres of greed and selfishness fostered by the news, games and >>>>> entertainment. >>>>> >>>>> To have a successful experiment we need to design a common moral >>>>> guidelines for the experiment. So gentle people start your shredders. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
