I can remember moments like that. I have a rather different conception of heart these days.much less person-centred.
On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 4:21:37 PM UTC, Molly wrote: > > No indeed, I stopped trying to stop any drama from playing out long ago > and learned that what I was called to do at any given time, though it may > be layered in many dramatic scenarios, required me only to act in alignment > with my own heart. (and when I say heart, I am including reason and all > ingredients of my being as I am currently aware.) As you suggest, the fact > that everyone may or may not do this does not eliminate the problems of the > world. > > On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 10:28:22 AM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >> >> It is true, in some way, that to resist an oppressor is to maintain the >> oppression. On might quibble that nothing is left to learn once one has >> your light. Please send me someone with it to the laboratory so I can quit >> all that mathematical bother. More seriously, there is always some >> pre-supposition we don't think of. Numbers and symbols looked at to >> identify consciousness assume sight and are already structured with >> multiple form as stimuli. The blind were conscious last time I asked and >> consciousness is much wider than sight, even in brains. We were all born >> yesterday in a world complete with fossil record and memories - actually, >> if you think of what repeats on television this is true! >> >> I doubt there is an inch between us Molly. One of the saddest things is >> how difficult it is to tell whether holiness is well-intentioned or not. >> Across history the answer would be mostly not. I expect you wouldn't have >> tried to stop this atheist cop as was nick your church's paedophile priests. >> >> On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 1:51:28 PM UTC, Molly wrote: >>> >>> Yes, Neil, you can't get to the unity from the separation without the >>> paradox, that each is inherent in the other. You have your own wonderful >>> way of railing against that with example after example of horrible >>> historical accounts, whether textbook or personal. I learn from it. thanks. >>> >>> On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 8:10:35 AM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >>>> >>>> Molly - we've been friends too long for you to think I mean this in any >>>> nasty sense - but this is also the fascist credo. Quite obviously not >>>> what >>>> you mean and something I'm sure you stand against. Once you have the >>>> light, not grounded in Reason, it excuses anything. Reason itself is even >>>> problematic once one becomes so sure you have it. Candy rots teeth. >>>> >>>> We might get round the problems with love. It didn't help Moses any >>>> with the Midianites and seems a rather vain hope. I had a friend who >>>> wished she had been born good. Temptation to the directive light is >>>> obvious. Yet this and other 'inner subjective' claims are the easiest to >>>> lie about. Of course, the only enlivening part of the Bible for me was >>>> Doubting Thomas. I suppose number one for me is wondering whether the >>>> preacher is any different from a double-glazing salesman. >>>> >>>> Heidegger argues that, in the present crisis, we are waiting for a god >>>> who will reawaken us to the poetic, and thereby enable us to dwell in the >>>> fourfold. This task certainly seems to be a noble one. Unfortunately, >>>> however, it plunges us into the murkiest and most controversial region of >>>> the Heideggerian intellectual landscape, his infamous involvement with >>>> Nazism. Heidegger sometimes seems to use the term ‘god’ or ‘divinity’ to >>>> refer to a heroic figure (a cultural template) who may initiate (or help >>>> to >>>> initiate) a transformational event in the history of Being by opening up >>>> an >>>> alternative clearing. These heroic figures are the grounders of the abyss, >>>> the restorers of sacredness (Allan's avatars, perhaps). >>>> >>>> Which brings me to my second. I want to know from real history, not >>>> text rendered holy. This may be because I'm Protestant and don't like >>>> priests telling me where to learn from. >>>> >>>> Molly always get me going! >>>> >>>> On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 12:09:48 PM UTC, Molly wrote: >>>>> >>>>> At some point, we give up all the do nots and live according to a >>>>> guiding light (is it a principle?) that needs no words, but includes all >>>>> creation in love. (sacred heart of Christ? Am sure each form of faith has >>>>> a >>>>> symbol for it) Until we know this (and have to feel it first) creeds and >>>>> moral compasses, affirmations and mantras, candy in many forms sweetens >>>>> the >>>>> pot we sit on. >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 6:55:20 AM UTC-5, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The objective is a social experiment.. starting with a moral >>>>>> guideline. Or as RP put it creed which is probably Is better word to >>>>>> use.. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have cut and pasted the different moral guides members use in day >>>>>> to day life.. they are submitted for easier study. >>>>>> >>>>>> Love the Allfather with my whole Soul & being... >>>>>> Love my neighbor as myself >>>>>> As I judge other so too will I be judge >>>>>> Do No Harm >>>>>> Avoid murder, rape or enslavement of others >>>>>> Avoid being enslaved by possessions >>>>>> >>>>>> Molly :-) >>>>>> It’s a Sufi saying: Before you speak, let your words pass through >>>>>> three gates. At the first gate, ask yourself ‘Is is true.’ At the second >>>>>> gate ask, ‘Is it necessary.’ At the third gate ask, ‘Is it kind. >>>>>> >>>>>> RP :-) >>>>>> My moral compass >>>>>> Don't fear anything , but use your reasoning faculty to do the right >>>>>> thing. >>>>>> do not covet but earn and save for the needs of yourself and family. >>>>>> Do not be lustful but be happy with your spouse. >>>>>> Do not be arrogant but respect yourself and others. >>>>>> Don't be angry but take care to do your duties. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris: >>>>>> If it harms none, do as you will. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Neil: >>>>>> I don't really do creed Allan. Found too many people who talk them >>>>>> and mean none. >>>>>> >>>>>> Molly made a comment about the end of my own submission which I >>>>>> thought was valid so I chopped it.. only because it was my own >>>>>> submission >>>>>> I felt free to modify without group input. >>>>>> >>>>>> All of the submissions I found fascinating. The award for the most >>>>>> original goes to RP. The difference in cultures shows up well. His >>>>>> submission is extremely honest.. Molly's is an excellent way of handing >>>>>> the >>>>>> events of day to day basis. Chris's guide is another of wicca in general >>>>>> (a >>>>>> poor attempt humor) ☆ "burning at the stake is not allowed" . Neil's no >>>>>> guideline and reasons given are very valid, showing effort not to fall >>>>>> into >>>>>> te next category. >>>>>> >>>>>> This category can maybe best described as a cork (being nice) >>>>>> floating in the ocean of humanity being tossed around by whichever >>>>>> direction the wind is blowing or the current flowing caught within the >>>>>> gyres of greed and selfishness fostered by the news, games and >>>>>> entertainment. >>>>>> >>>>>> To have a successful experiment we need to design a common moral >>>>>> guidelines for the experiment. So gentle people start your shredders. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
