You are excused to have come up with such a westernized interpretation of the Gita in this thread here, RP, the polarizing compass imagery gave you no other choice to stay on track! ;) Seriously RP, don't you hear how the poor Gita cannot defend itself in this context here? To overcome good and bad expectations is not Gita sound! And where did you get the awful attachment to fruits of action idea from? Try the rock image and see if it is not closer to what is meant. And see if you can move it. Here is a hint: it neither works in a neutral nor positive nor negative state ... geez, why don't people understand fairy tales...
Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2015 01:46:54 UTC+1 schrieb RP Singh: > > I have found that attachment to fruits of actions lead to much heartbreak > when the opposite of your expectation happens. It is written in the Gita > that a person should live in a state of detachment and be the same in the > good or bad occurrences , I don't know if this is possible human nature > being what it is , but if we can reach this state I think we can be better > persons. Everything being history only actions are in our hands including > that of efforts to change ourselves , and the future is history. If you are > expecting good and something very bad happens it seems like a shock and for > some moment at least you lose your balance but if you are detached to the > fruits of actions you are in a state of coolness and not shaken by the > greatest calamity ever. > > On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:44 PM, RP Singh <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > >> You have to accept before you do and if you cannot accept the process >> stops. You have to keep some framework in your conscious mind to keep a >> conscious check on yourself and it is not a creed but a way of living , >> trying to improve yourself as a person. Now what wrong could be there in >> having self-respect and not being arrogant , what wrong in not being greedy >> and not have anger issues. If you want to stop smoking you have to first >> take the decision to stop , then only can you give the effort. >> >> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:02 PM, archytas <[email protected] <javascript:>> >> wrote: >> >>> I don't really do creed Allan. Found too many people who talk them and >>> mean none. Chris' statement is probably as close as I get, but this soon >>> doesn't work in practice. Doing no harm to others quickly proves >>> difficult. We do this in the West simply by living as we do, praying to the >>> Lord or otherwise. In some philosophy, all speech has a hostile element,as >>> does censorship on what can be said. >>> >>> The first thing for me is evidence. This is an extremely difficult >>> topic. Molly's God is quite acceptable to me, but my evidence is not >>> direct. I only feel 'him' in her words (even this in evidence terms is >>> inadequate - 'words' - we have never met). >>> The next is probably what Allan is trying to do here. I have some >>> conception of myself as a person and the turmoil of my thought and making >>> sense of stuff. Other people have often proved to have much better (and >>> much worse) ideas and been prepared to share them. George Kelly springs to >>> my mind on this - http://www.centrepcp.co.uk/whatis.htm - and personal >>> construct theory. >>> I approve Allan's efforts here (though it's important to me he need no >>> such approval) - but immediately think we have a lot of material from all >>> over the world and hundreds of different cultures (there are this many on >>> Papua New Guinea alone). What of the evidence we have from them, against >>> our predominantly 'white insularity'? >>> Evidence, imagination and trying to do the right thing. Read about >>> Socrates in Plato, but remember the fine words came from the free table at >>> the head of a slave society. Hear about the Good Samaritan, but wonder why >>> we still have a society of 'worthies' that just pass on by, perhaps to >>> their church of peace. >>> >>> Gabby doesn't live down a rabbit hole in Seven Acres Park Allan. I >>> thought she might not be answering the dogs' knocks because she doesn't >>> like me, so asked the woman with the ferrets (she is real) to have them >>> check. The world of imagination is such that when Gabbs says 'it smells in >>> here' it could be because she has just come in, or she may be the little >>> child pointing out the Emperor is naked. Language is harder than we >>> think. I have 'one smart little cookie' in mind about Gabby. This could be >>> chronic sexism, patronising, an insult to cookies - or a quick utter of >>> something I think that isn't quite that - or an offer to be beaten up by >>> politically correct bullies. Walk with me into the rabbit hole of !Kung >>> society - we would find no adult twins and we might ponder genetics - in >>> fact, infanticide is common in their tough world. Would we think badly of >>> them? They have creed. >>> >>> It goes dark at night, therefore big bang. I prefer the way scientists >>> explain this to instruments of torture. Doing no harm to others collapses >>> with je suis charlie. Religion sounds very selfish to me. Yet one can >>> admire Salvation Army people doing a soup run, despite their views on >>> homosexuality. Would I kill the second born twin? Down the !Kung rabbit >>> hole I probably would as !Kung. So where does creed come from? >>> >>> I'd like us to live in evidence based practice. Why we still speak of >>> creed in today's world of Public Relations appals me. >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, February 1, 2015 at 10:07:28 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> Neil are you sure Cabbies hiding in a rabbit hole?? Would like the >>>> guidelines she and the rest of the ME following.. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Chris Jenkins <[email protected] <javascript:>> >>>> To: Minds-Eye <[email protected] <javascript:>> >>>> Sent: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 9:13 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>>> >>>> It's difficult to boil something as complex as personal moral >>>> relativism down into some simple edicts. I suppose the closest I could add >>>> would be: >>>> >>>> - If it harms none, do as you will. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Allan H <[email protected] >>>> <javascript:>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I hope others doctrine their personal moral ideas to the discussion. >>>>> The more we have the better ,, that includes you Chris. And Neil. >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected] <javascript:>> >>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected] <javascript:>> >>>>> Sent: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 3:37 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>>>> >>>>> My moral compass >>>>> Don't fear anything , but use your reasoning faculty to do the right >>>>> thing. >>>>> do not covet but earn and save for the needs of yourself and family. >>>>> Do not be lustful but be happy with your spouse. >>>>> Do not be arrogant but respect yourself and others. >>>>> Don't be angry but take care to do your duties. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Allan H <[email protected] >>>>> <javascript:>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If you want a social experiment we need to set up moral guidelines >>>>>> from which to work.. if you disagree with them that is fine. ,, no >>>>>> problem.. just remember it really is a social experiment,, you need to >>>>>> come up with what your personal moral compass to replace it.. it is not >>>>>> a >>>>>> cut and paste exercise. My compass is around 500 created in length,, >>>>>> presentations should around that length. >>>>>> >>>>>> My Compass: >>>>>> >>>>>> Love the Allfather with my whole Soul & being... >>>>>> Love my neighbor as myself >>>>>> As I judge other so too will I be judge >>>>>> Do No Harm >>>>>> Avoid murder, rape or enslavement of others >>>>>> Avoid being enslaved by possessions >>>>>> ~~~※☆※~~~ >>>>>> Jesus said "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all >>>>>> things are plain in the light of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not >>>>>> become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being >>>>>> uncovered." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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