Detached is obviously a broad term like consciousness. I hate it when some posh jerk claims to be detached when conducting an independent inquiry into - er - posh people.
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 7:00:26 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > To many people have a nurtral attitude and their in lies part of the > problem. I can be detached with out being neutral. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: RP Singh <[email protected]> > To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 2:33 AM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass > > We can have a positive attitude or a negative attitude , but can we have a > neutral attitude? > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 6:16 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I have found that attachment to fruits of actions lead to much heartbreak >> when the opposite of your expectation happens. It is written in the Gita >> that a person should live in a state of detachment and be the same in the >> good or bad occurrences , I don't know if this is possible human nature >> being what it is , but if we can reach this state I think we can be better >> persons. Everything being history only actions are in our hands including >> that of efforts to change ourselves , and the future is history. If you are >> expecting good and something very bad happens it seems like a shock and for >> some moment at least you lose your balance but if you are detached to the >> fruits of actions you are in a state of coolness and not shaken by the >> greatest calamity ever. >> >> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:44 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> You have to accept before you do and if you cannot accept the process >>> stops. You have to keep some framework in your conscious mind to keep a >>> conscious check on yourself and it is not a creed but a way of living , >>> trying to improve yourself as a person. Now what wrong could be there in >>> having self-respect and not being arrogant , what wrong in not being greedy >>> and not have anger issues. If you want to stop smoking you have to first >>> take the decision to stop , then only can you give the effort. >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:02 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I don't really do creed Allan. Found too many people who talk them and >>>> mean none. Chris' statement is probably as close as I get, but this soon >>>> doesn't work in practice. Doing no harm to others quickly proves >>>> difficult. We do this in the West simply by living as we do, praying to >>>> the >>>> Lord or otherwise. In some philosophy, all speech has a hostile >>>> element,as >>>> does censorship on what can be said. >>>> >>>> The first thing for me is evidence. This is an extremely difficult >>>> topic. Molly's God is quite acceptable to me, but my evidence is not >>>> direct. I only feel 'him' in her words (even this in evidence terms is >>>> inadequate - 'words' - we have never met). >>>> The next is probably what Allan is trying to do here. I have some >>>> conception of myself as a person and the turmoil of my thought and making >>>> sense of stuff. Other people have often proved to have much better (and >>>> much worse) ideas and been prepared to share them. George Kelly springs >>>> to >>>> my mind on this - http://www.centrepcp.co.uk/whatis.htm - and personal >>>> construct theory. >>>> I approve Allan's efforts here (though it's important to me he need no >>>> such approval) - but immediately think we have a lot of material from all >>>> over the world and hundreds of different cultures (there are this many on >>>> Papua New Guinea alone). What of the evidence we have from them, against >>>> our predominantly 'white insularity'? >>>> Evidence, imagination and trying to do the right thing. Read about >>>> Socrates in Plato, but remember the fine words came from the free table at >>>> the head of a slave society. Hear about the Good Samaritan, but wonder >>>> why >>>> we still have a society of 'worthies' that just pass on by, perhaps to >>>> their church of peace. >>>> >>>> Gabby doesn't live down a rabbit hole in Seven Acres Park Allan. I >>>> thought she might not be answering the dogs' knocks because she doesn't >>>> like me, so asked the woman with the ferrets (she is real) to have them >>>> check. The world of imagination is such that when Gabbs says 'it smells >>>> in >>>> here' it could be because she has just come in, or she may be the little >>>> child pointing out the Emperor is naked. Language is harder than we >>>> think. I have 'one smart little cookie' in mind about Gabby. This could >>>> be >>>> chronic sexism, patronising, an insult to cookies - or a quick utter of >>>> something I think that isn't quite that - or an offer to be beaten up by >>>> politically correct bullies. Walk with me into the rabbit hole of !Kung >>>> society - we would find no adult twins and we might ponder genetics - in >>>> fact, infanticide is common in their tough world. Would we think badly of >>>> them? They have creed. >>>> >>>> It goes dark at night, therefore big bang. I prefer the way scientists >>>> explain this to instruments of torture. Doing no harm to others collapses >>>> with je suis charlie. Religion sounds very selfish to me. Yet one can >>>> admire Salvation Army people doing a soup run, despite their views on >>>> homosexuality. Would I kill the second born twin? Down the !Kung rabbit >>>> hole I probably would as !Kung. So where does creed come from? >>>> >>>> I'd like us to live in evidence based practice. Why we still speak of >>>> creed in today's world of Public Relations appals me. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, February 1, 2015 at 10:07:28 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Neil are you sure Cabbies hiding in a rabbit hole?? Would like the >>>>> guidelines she and the rest of the ME following.. >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> >>>>> To: Minds-Eye <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 9:13 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>>>> >>>>> It's difficult to boil something as complex as personal moral >>>>> relativism down into some simple edicts. I suppose the closest I could >>>>> add >>>>> would be: >>>>> >>>>> - If it harms none, do as you will. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I hope others doctrine their personal moral ideas to the discussion. >>>>>> The more we have the better ,, that includes you Chris. And Neil. >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 3:37 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>>>>> >>>>>> My moral compass >>>>>> Don't fear anything , but use your reasoning faculty to do the right >>>>>> thing. >>>>>> do not covet but earn and save for the needs of yourself and family. >>>>>> Do not be lustful but be happy with your spouse. >>>>>> Do not be arrogant but respect yourself and others. >>>>>> Don't be angry but take care to do your duties. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> If you want a social experiment we need to set up moral guidelines >>>>>>> from which to work.. if you disagree with them that is fine. ,, no >>>>>>> problem.. just remember it really is a social experiment,, you need to >>>>>>> come up with what your personal moral compass to replace it.. it is >>>>>>> not a >>>>>>> cut and paste exercise. My compass is around 500 created in length,, >>>>>>> presentations should around that length. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My Compass: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Love the Allfather with my whole Soul & being... >>>>>>> Love my neighbor as myself >>>>>>> As I judge other so too will I be judge >>>>>>> Do No Harm >>>>>>> Avoid murder, rape or enslavement of others >>>>>>> Avoid being enslaved by possessions >>>>>>> ~~~※☆※~~~ >>>>>>> Jesus said "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all >>>>>>> things are plain in the light of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not >>>>>>> become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being >>>>>>> uncovered." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> >> > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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