The brandy is all lined up an the ant high command called off the fire ant ( they are under the intoxicating effect of fine brandy ) okay forget the bully thing but no more 3/4 hr torture sessions. At leasr 80% of the questions were text based .. zzzzzzzz
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others -----Original Message----- From: archytas <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass Spot on there Allan - she's truly dreadful. But still throw away the dictionaries lads - makes us look like the poor young fools who can put up with being taught by this patronising ninny-nanny. Never mind we are in some grim jail chaps, we have the right philosophy! Very Zen - 'I say you guards, remember when you light up those electrodes that you are the real prisoners in here'! You don't see Yale advertising, 'this undergraduate course will be no good to you in any practical way unless you end up as a prisoner of war'. I doubt you got as far as the lemon and broccoli on the shopping list bit - the woman doesn't seem to understand squat and yet is teaching at one of the best universities in the world. Better to learn lock-picking. I'm not having the bully bit Allan and have dispatched s legion of fire-ants to sort you out! Many philosophies of detachment arise as means to control the poor in a fatalist spell. A bit like this woman teaching really - sod all you can do but listen if you want to pass the exams she sets, so get detached to it! RP might fall in love with her though. That would be something to discuss! On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 12:38:09 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > And you complain about dictionaries..and you want to saddle us with 3/4 HR > return presented be you to be sheer torture . > Bully > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 1:27 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass > > Boy, boys! Stop throwing dictionaries at each other. Here's a lecture by > a former colleague: > http://oyc.yale.edu/philosophy/phil-181/lecture-8 > > Words are defined in complex forms of life and language-games. You can > get almost everything wrong by using dictionaries, This lecture is > primarily about stoicism, but all religions have some form of detachment. > Impartiality is thought by some to require detachment and we often use the > words as synonyms, This woman always bored the pants off me. I think > she's so dumb she is doesn't realise she is teaching the coping philosophy > of slaves and prisoners. > > On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 11:45:04 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> For the most part. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 12:38 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >> >> Allan , see "detached" ; it means "no emotion" >> >> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:24 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> DETACHMENT >>> >>> n. >>> The act of detaching or separating, or the state of being detached. >>> >>> DETACHMENT >>> >>> n. >>> That which is detached; especially, a body of troops or part of a fleet >>> sent from the main body on special service. >>> >>> DETACHMENT >>> >>> n. >>> Abstraction from worldly objects; renunciation. >>> >>> There is the definition I know.. i try to use my words using dictionary >>> definitions. That way poeple can look iup what is meaning.. I have to do >>> that quite easily.. >>> If you use word with abstract type meaning no one knows what is actually >>> said. Saddly that happens to often. >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 11:18 AM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>> >>> It seems that people use the word "detached" for the word "impartial" >>> which in my view is not correct. What meaning Allan applies to this word >>> only he can clarify. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 3:19 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Statistics also belie the claims made by people about their detached >>>> judgements. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 7:38:40 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>>> >>>>> To be detached means to be equal-minded in all conditions , including >>>>> death or worse of dear ones , to be serene even when losing all that you >>>>> own with not a penny left , the worst of insecurity , it is so easy to >>>>> talk >>>>> but for a person who loves dear ones who is used to luxury ,to face it >>>>> all >>>>> with serenity is in my opinion either madness or just hypothetical >>>>> thinking. No Allan you have to be emotionally mad to be completely >>>>> indifferent to major calamities. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 12:54 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It is possible to be be detached and positive ay the same time >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 5:18 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>>>>> >>>>>> So I conclude that detachment is not such a good thing and I would >>>>>> rather be positive with its chance of going into shock than to be >>>>>> indifferent to any outcome. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 8:36 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Biologically we split fairly well into two temperaments as infants. >>>>>>> Detachment seems reasonable as an 'ideal type' RP - though it has also >>>>>>> been >>>>>>> the excuse of 'fascist steel' and economists so stupid they imagine >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> act by replicating the scientists' "objectivity" - a mythical state. >>>>>>> Your >>>>>>> point was taken up by the Freud of 'Modernity and its Discontents' and >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> split between the paranoid-schizoid and 'depressive' positions towards >>>>>>> life. Max Weber articulated the rational-legal position as against >>>>>>> charismatic fascism, but also worried about the iron cage of >>>>>>> bureaucracy. >>>>>>> Heidegger and much eastern philosophy (which we have taken up in the >>>>>>> West >>>>>>> with too much Greek modification and copying) focuses on what it is to >>>>>>> be. >>>>>>> I'm more materialist at the beginning of analysis and think we need to >>>>>>> understand the big difference between what we can create with >>>>>>> technology >>>>>>> and its business control. Veblen got to this, but his theory doesn't >>>>>>> suit >>>>>>> the powerful. Around 1910 we had a lot of active political debate here >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> democratic foreign policy (here people like ED Morel who unseated >>>>>>> Churchill >>>>>>> in Dundee, Wallace in the US and Gandhi). Even the Nazis had >>>>>>> socialists >>>>>>> who wanted a union of free workers across Europe. I think we can >>>>>>> safely >>>>>>> say fascism in Weber's sense has won. The world remains run by >>>>>>> oligarchies >>>>>>> who cut up the booty between them.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 1:33:23 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We can have a positive attitude or a negative attitude , but can we >>>>>>>> have a neutral attitude? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 6:16 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have found that attachment to fruits of actions lead to much >>>>>>>>> heartbreak when the opposite of your expectation happens. It is >>>>>>>>> written in >>>>>>>>> the Gita that a person should live in a state of detachment and be >>>>>>>>> the same >>>>>>>>> in the good or bad occurrences , I don't know if this is possible >>>>>>>>> human >>>>>>>>> nature being what it is , but if we can reach this state I think we >>>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>>> better persons. Everything being history only actions are in our >>>>>>>>> hands >>>>>>>>> including that of efforts to change ourselves , and the future is >>>>>>>>> history. >>>>>>>>> If you are expecting good and something very bad happens it seems >>>>>>>>> like a >>>>>>>>> shock and for some moment at least you lose your balance but if you >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> detached to the fruits of actions you are in a state of coolness and >>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> shaken by the greatest calamity ever. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:44 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You have to accept before you do and if you cannot accept the >>>>>>>>>> process stops. You have to keep some framework in your conscious >>>>>>>>>> mind to >>>>>>>>>> keep a conscious check on yourself and it is not a creed but a way >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> living , trying to improve yourself as a person. Now what wrong >>>>>>>>>> could be >>>>>>>>>> there in having self-respect and not being arrogant , what wrong in >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> being greedy and not have anger issues. If you want to stop smoking >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> have to first take the decision to stop , then only can you give the >>>>>>>>>> effort. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:02 PM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't really do creed Allan. Found too many people who talk >>>>>>>>>>> them and mean none. Chris' statement is probably as close as I >>>>>>>>>>> get, but >>>>>>>>>>> this soon doesn't work in practice. Doing no harm to others >>>>>>>>>>> quickly proves >>>>>>>>>>> difficult. We do this in the West simply by living as we do, >>>>>>>>>>> praying to the >>>>>>>>>>> Lord or otherwise. In some philosophy, all speech has a hostile >>>>>>>>>>> element,as >>>>>>>>>>> does censorship on what can be said. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The first thing for me is evidence. This is an extremely >>>>>>>>>>> difficult topic. Molly's God is quite acceptable to me, but my >>>>>>>>>>> evidence is >>>>>>>>>>> not direct. I only feel 'him' in her words (even this in evidence >>>>>>>>>>> terms is >>>>>>>>>>> inadequate - 'words' - we have never met). >>>>>>>>>>> The next is probably what Allan is trying to do here. I have >>>>>>>>>>> some conception of myself as a person and the turmoil of my thought >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> making sense of stuff. Other people have often proved to have much >>>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>> (and much worse) ideas and been prepared to share them. George >>>>>>>>>>> Kelly >>>>>>>>>>> springs to my mind on this - http://www.centrepcp.co.uk/w >>>>>>>>>>> hatis.htm - and personal construct theory. >>>>>>>>>>> I approve Allan's efforts here (though it's important to me he >>>>>>>>>>> need no such approval) - but immediately think we have a lot of >>>>>>>>>>> material >>>>>>>>>>> from all over the world and hundreds of different cultures (there >>>>>>>>>>> are this >>>>>>>>>>> many on Papua New Guinea alone). What of the evidence we have from >>>>>>>>>>> them, >>>>>>>>>>> against our predominantly 'white insularity'? >>>>>>>>>>> Evidence, imagination and trying to do the right thing. Read >>>>>>>>>>> about Socrates in Plato, but remember the fine words came from the >>>>>>>>>>> free >>>>>>>>>>> table at the head of a slave society. Hear about the Good >>>>>>>>>>> Samaritan, but >>>>>>>>>>> wonder why we still have a society of 'worthies' that just pass on >>>>>>>>>>> by, >>>>>>>>>>> perhaps to their church of peace. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Gabby doesn't live down a rabbit hole in Seven Acres Park >>>>>>>>>>> Allan. I thought she might not be answering the dogs' knocks >>>>>>>>>>> because she >>>>>>>>>>> doesn't like me, so asked the woman with the ferrets (she is real) >>>>>>>>>>> to have >>>>>>>>>>> them check. The world of imagination is such that when Gabbs says >>>>>>>>>>> 'it >>>>>>>>>>> smells in here' it could be because she has just come in, or she >>>>>>>>>>> may be the >>>>>>>>>>> little child pointing out the Emperor is naked. Language is harder >>>>>>>>>>> than we >>>>>>>>>>> think. I have 'one smart little cookie' in mind about Gabby. This >>>>>>>>>>> could be >>>>>>>>>>> chronic sexism, patronising, an insult to cookies - or a quick >>>>>>>>>>> utter of >>>>>>>>>>> something I think that isn't quite that - or an offer to be beaten >>>>>>>>>>> up by >>>>>>>>>>> politically correct bullies. Walk with me into the rabbit hole of >>>>>>>>>>> !Kung >>>>>>>>>>> society - we would find no adult twins and we might ponder genetics >>>>>>>>>>> - in >>>>>>>>>>> fact, infanticide is common in their tough world. Would we think >>>>>>>>>>> badly of >>>>>>>>>>> them? They have creed. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It goes dark at night, therefore big bang. I prefer the way >>>>>>>>>>> scientists explain this to instruments of torture. Doing no harm >>>>>>>>>>> to others >>>>>>>>>>> collapses with je suis charlie. Religion sounds very selfish to me. >>>>>>>>>>> Yet >>>>>>>>>>> one can admire Salvation Army people doing a soup run, despite >>>>>>>>>>> their views >>>>>>>>>>> on homosexuality. Would I kill the second born twin? Down the >>>>>>>>>>> !Kung >>>>>>>>>>> rabbit hole I probably would as !Kung. So where does creed come >>>>>>>>>>> from? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'd like us to live in evidence based practice. Why we still >>>>>>>>>>> speak of creed in today's world of Public Relations appals me. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 1, 2015 at 10:07:28 PM UTC, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Neil are you sure Cabbies hiding in a rabbit hole?? Would like >>>>>>>>>>>> the guidelines she and the rest of the ME following.. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: Minds-Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 9:13 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It's difficult to boil something as complex as personal moral >>>>>>>>>>>> relativism down into some simple edicts. I suppose the closest I >>>>>>>>>>>> could add >>>>>>>>>>>> would be: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - If it harms none, do as you will. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope others doctrine their personal moral ideas to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion. The more we have the better ,, that includes you >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris. And >>>>>>>>>>>>> Neil. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 3:37 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My moral compass >>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't fear anything , but use your reasoning faculty to do the >>>>>>>>>>>>> right thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>> do not covet but earn and save for the needs of yourself and >>>>>>>>>>>>> family. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Do not be lustful but be happy with your spouse. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Do not be arrogant but respect yourself and others. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't be angry but take care to do your duties. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want a social experiment we need to set up moral >>>>>>>>>>>>>> guidelines from which to work.. if you disagree with them that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is fine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ,, no problem.. just remember it really is a social >>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiment,, you need >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to come up with what your personal moral compass to replace it.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cut and paste exercise. My compass is around 500 created in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> length,, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> presentations should around that length. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Compass: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love the Allfather with my whole Soul & being... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love my neighbor as myself >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I judge other so too will I be judge >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do No Harm >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid murder, rape or enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid being enslaved by possessions >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~~~※☆※~~~ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus said "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for all things are plain in the light of Heaven. 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