I see Gabbs hasn't caught up with the double-polarised sandal-based pointers yet and is still in mono.
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 2:24:58 PM UTC, archytas wrote: > > Sometimes it is good to realise apparent authorities are full of it Allan. > If you drunk the brandy instead of doing ant research you wouldn't have > understood the point that people turn up to be tortured by patronising > weirdos. I see Gabby's back 'Educating Gita'. What are the fees at Yale? > > On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 1:22:34 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> The brandy is all lined up an the ant high command called off the fire >> ant ( they are under the intoxicating effect of fine brandy ) okay forget >> the bully thing but no more 3/4 hr torture sessions. At leasr 80% of the >> questions were text based .. zzzzzzzz >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: archytas <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 2:14 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >> >> Spot on there Allan - she's truly dreadful. But still throw away the >> dictionaries lads - makes us look like the poor young fools who can put up >> with being taught by this patronising ninny-nanny. Never mind we are in >> some grim jail chaps, we have the right philosophy! Very Zen - 'I say you >> guards, remember when you light up those electrodes that you are the real >> prisoners in here'! You don't see Yale advertising, 'this undergraduate >> course will be no good to you in any practical way unless you end up as a >> prisoner of war'. I doubt you got as far as the lemon and broccoli on the >> shopping list bit - the woman doesn't seem to understand squat and yet is >> teaching at one of the best universities in the world. Better to learn >> lock-picking. >> >> I'm not having the bully bit Allan and have dispatched s legion of >> fire-ants to sort you out! Many philosophies of detachment arise as means >> to control the poor in a fatalist spell. A bit like this woman teaching >> really - sod all you can do but listen if you want to pass the exams she >> sets, so get detached to it! RP might fall in love with her though. That >> would be something to discuss! >> >> On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 12:38:09 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> And you complain about dictionaries..and you want to saddle us with 3/4 >>> HR return presented be you to be sheer torture . >>> Bully >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 1:27 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>> >>> Boy, boys! Stop throwing dictionaries at each other. Here's a lecture >>> by a former colleague: >>> http://oyc.yale.edu/philosophy/phil-181/lecture-8 >>> >>> Words are defined in complex forms of life and language-games. You can >>> get almost everything wrong by using dictionaries, This lecture is >>> primarily about stoicism, but all religions have some form of detachment. >>> Impartiality is thought by some to require detachment and we often use the >>> words as synonyms, This woman always bored the pants off me. I think >>> she's so dumb she is doesn't realise she is teaching the coping philosophy >>> of slaves and prisoners. >>> >>> On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 11:45:04 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> For the most part. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 12:38 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>>> >>>> Allan , see "detached" ; it means "no emotion" >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:24 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> DETACHMENT >>>>> >>>>> n. >>>>> The act of detaching or separating, or the state of being detached. >>>>> >>>>> DETACHMENT >>>>> >>>>> n. >>>>> That which is detached; especially, a body of troops or part of a >>>>> fleet sent from the main body on special service. >>>>> >>>>> DETACHMENT >>>>> >>>>> n. >>>>> Abstraction from worldly objects; renunciation. >>>>> >>>>> There is the definition I know.. i try to use my words using >>>>> dictionary definitions. That way poeple can look iup what is meaning.. I >>>>> have to do that quite easily.. >>>>> If you use word with abstract type meaning no one knows what is >>>>> actually said. Saddly that happens to often. >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 11:18 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>>>> >>>>> It seems that people use the word "detached" for the word "impartial" >>>>> which in my view is not correct. What meaning Allan applies to this word >>>>> only he can clarify. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 3:19 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Statistics also belie the claims made by people about their detached >>>>>> judgements. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 7:38:40 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To be detached means to be equal-minded in all conditions , >>>>>>> including death or worse of dear ones , to be serene even when losing >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> that you own with not a penny left , the worst of insecurity , it is so >>>>>>> easy to talk but for a person who loves dear ones who is used to luxury >>>>>>> ,to >>>>>>> face it all with serenity is in my opinion either madness or just >>>>>>> hypothetical thinking. No Allan you have to be emotionally mad to be >>>>>>> completely indifferent to major calamities. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 12:54 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is possible to be be detached and positive ay the same time >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 5:18 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So I conclude that detachment is not such a good thing and I would >>>>>>>> rather be positive with its chance of going into shock than to be >>>>>>>> indifferent to any outcome. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 8:36 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Biologically we split fairly well into two temperaments as >>>>>>>>> infants. Detachment seems reasonable as an 'ideal type' RP - though >>>>>>>>> it has >>>>>>>>> also been the excuse of 'fascist steel' and economists so stupid they >>>>>>>>> imagine they act by replicating the scientists' "objectivity" - a >>>>>>>>> mythical >>>>>>>>> state. Your point was taken up by the Freud of 'Modernity and its >>>>>>>>> Discontents' and the split between the paranoid-schizoid and >>>>>>>>> 'depressive' >>>>>>>>> positions towards life. Max Weber articulated the rational-legal >>>>>>>>> position >>>>>>>>> as against charismatic fascism, but also worried about the iron cage >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> bureaucracy. Heidegger and much eastern philosophy (which we have >>>>>>>>> taken up >>>>>>>>> in the West with too much Greek modification and copying) focuses on >>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>> it is to be. I'm more materialist at the beginning of analysis and >>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>> we need to understand the big difference between what we can create >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> technology and its business control. Veblen got to this, but his >>>>>>>>> theory >>>>>>>>> doesn't suit the powerful. Around 1910 we had a lot of active >>>>>>>>> political >>>>>>>>> debate here on democratic foreign policy (here people like ED Morel >>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>> unseated Churchill in Dundee, Wallace in the US and Gandhi). Even >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Nazis had socialists who wanted a union of free workers across >>>>>>>>> Europe. I >>>>>>>>> think we can safely say fascism in Weber's sense has won. The world >>>>>>>>> remains run by oligarchies who cut up the booty between them.. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 1:33:23 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We can have a positive attitude or a negative attitude , but can >>>>>>>>>> we have a neutral attitude? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 6:16 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have found that attachment to fruits of actions lead to much >>>>>>>>>>> heartbreak when the opposite of your expectation happens. It is >>>>>>>>>>> written in >>>>>>>>>>> the Gita that a person should live in a state of detachment and be >>>>>>>>>>> the same >>>>>>>>>>> in the good or bad occurrences , I don't know if this is possible >>>>>>>>>>> human >>>>>>>>>>> nature being what it is , but if we can reach this state I think we >>>>>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>>>>> better persons. Everything being history only actions are in our >>>>>>>>>>> hands >>>>>>>>>>> including that of efforts to change ourselves , and the future is >>>>>>>>>>> history. >>>>>>>>>>> If you are expecting good and something very bad happens it seems >>>>>>>>>>> like a >>>>>>>>>>> shock and for some moment at least you lose your balance but if you >>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>> detached to the fruits of actions you are in a state of coolness >>>>>>>>>>> and not >>>>>>>>>>> shaken by the greatest calamity ever. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:44 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You have to accept before you do and if you cannot accept the >>>>>>>>>>>> process stops. You have to keep some framework in your conscious >>>>>>>>>>>> mind to >>>>>>>>>>>> keep a conscious check on yourself and it is not a creed but a way >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> living , trying to improve yourself as a person. Now what wrong >>>>>>>>>>>> could be >>>>>>>>>>>> there in having self-respect and not being arrogant , what wrong >>>>>>>>>>>> in not >>>>>>>>>>>> being greedy and not have anger issues. If you want to stop >>>>>>>>>>>> smoking you >>>>>>>>>>>> have to first take the decision to stop , then only can you give >>>>>>>>>>>> the effort. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:02 PM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't really do creed Allan. Found too many people who talk >>>>>>>>>>>>> them and mean none. Chris' statement is probably as close as I >>>>>>>>>>>>> get, but >>>>>>>>>>>>> this soon doesn't work in practice. Doing no harm to others >>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly proves >>>>>>>>>>>>> difficult. We do this in the West simply by living as we do, >>>>>>>>>>>>> praying to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lord or otherwise. In some philosophy, all speech has a hostile >>>>>>>>>>>>> element,as >>>>>>>>>>>>> does censorship on what can be said. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The first thing for me is evidence. This is an extremely >>>>>>>>>>>>> difficult topic. Molly's God is quite acceptable to me, but my >>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence is >>>>>>>>>>>>> not direct. I only feel 'him' in her words (even this in >>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence terms is >>>>>>>>>>>>> inadequate - 'words' - we have never met). >>>>>>>>>>>>> The next is probably what Allan is trying to do here. I have >>>>>>>>>>>>> some conception of myself as a person and the turmoil of my >>>>>>>>>>>>> thought and >>>>>>>>>>>>> making sense of stuff. Other people have often proved to have >>>>>>>>>>>>> much better >>>>>>>>>>>>> (and much worse) ideas and been prepared to share them. George >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kelly >>>>>>>>>>>>> springs to my mind on this - http://www.centrepcp.co.uk/w >>>>>>>>>>>>> hatis.htm - and personal construct theory. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I approve Allan's efforts here (though it's important to me he >>>>>>>>>>>>> need no such approval) - but immediately think we have a lot of >>>>>>>>>>>>> material >>>>>>>>>>>>> from all over the world and hundreds of different cultures (there >>>>>>>>>>>>> are this >>>>>>>>>>>>> many on Papua New Guinea alone). What of the evidence we have >>>>>>>>>>>>> from them, >>>>>>>>>>>>> against our predominantly 'white insularity'? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence, imagination and trying to do the right thing. Read >>>>>>>>>>>>> about Socrates in Plato, but remember the fine words came from >>>>>>>>>>>>> the free >>>>>>>>>>>>> table at the head of a slave society. Hear about the Good >>>>>>>>>>>>> Samaritan, but >>>>>>>>>>>>> wonder why we still have a society of 'worthies' that just pass >>>>>>>>>>>>> on by, >>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps to their church of peace. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gabby doesn't live down a rabbit hole in Seven Acres Park >>>>>>>>>>>>> Allan. I thought she might not be answering the dogs' knocks >>>>>>>>>>>>> because she >>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't like me, so asked the woman with the ferrets (she is >>>>>>>>>>>>> real) to have >>>>>>>>>>>>> them check. The world of imagination is such that when Gabbs >>>>>>>>>>>>> says 'it >>>>>>>>>>>>> smells in here' it could be because she has just come in, or she >>>>>>>>>>>>> may be the >>>>>>>>>>>>> little child pointing out the Emperor is naked. Language is >>>>>>>>>>>>> harder than we >>>>>>>>>>>>> think. I have 'one smart little cookie' in mind about Gabby. >>>>>>>>>>>>> This could be >>>>>>>>>>>>> chronic sexism, patronising, an insult to cookies - or a quick >>>>>>>>>>>>> utter of >>>>>>>>>>>>> something I think that isn't quite that - or an offer to be >>>>>>>>>>>>> beaten up by >>>>>>>>>>>>> politically correct bullies. Walk with me into the rabbit hole >>>>>>>>>>>>> of !Kung >>>>>>>>>>>>> society - we would find no adult twins and we might ponder >>>>>>>>>>>>> genetics - in >>>>>>>>>>>>> fact, infanticide is common in their tough world. Would we think >>>>>>>>>>>>> badly of >>>>>>>>>>>>> them? They have creed. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It goes dark at night, therefore big bang. I prefer the way >>>>>>>>>>>>> scientists explain this to instruments of torture. Doing no harm >>>>>>>>>>>>> to others >>>>>>>>>>>>> collapses with je suis charlie. Religion sounds very selfish to >>>>>>>>>>>>> me. Yet >>>>>>>>>>>>> one can admire Salvation Army people doing a soup run, despite >>>>>>>>>>>>> their views >>>>>>>>>>>>> on homosexuality. Would I kill the second born twin? Down the >>>>>>>>>>>>> !Kung >>>>>>>>>>>>> rabbit hole I probably would as !Kung. So where does creed come >>>>>>>>>>>>> from? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like us to live in evidence based practice. Why we still >>>>>>>>>>>>> speak of creed in today's world of Public Relations appals me. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 1, 2015 at 10:07:28 PM UTC, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neil are you sure Cabbies hiding in a rabbit hole?? Would >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the guidelines she and the rest of the ME following.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Minds-Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 9:13 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's difficult to boil something as complex as personal moral >>>>>>>>>>>>>> relativism down into some simple edicts. I suppose the closest I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> could add >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - If it harms none, do as you will. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Allan H <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope others doctrine their personal moral ideas to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion. The more we have the better ,, that includes you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris. And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neil. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 3:37 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My moral compass >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't fear anything , but use your reasoning faculty to do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the right thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not covet but earn and save for the needs of yourself and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do not be lustful but be happy with your spouse. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do not be arrogant but respect yourself and others. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't be angry but take care to do your duties. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Allan H < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want a social experiment we need to set up moral >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guidelines from which to work.. if you disagree with them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is fine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ,, no problem.. just remember it really is a social >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiment,, you need >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to come up with what your personal moral compass to replace >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.. it is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cut and paste exercise. My compass is around 500 created in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> length,, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presentations should around that length. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Compass: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love the Allfather with my whole Soul & being... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love my neighbor as myself >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I judge other so too will I be judge >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do No Harm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid murder, rape or enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid being enslaved by possessions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~~~※☆※~~~ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus said "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for all things are plain in the light of Heaven. 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