There's an attempt to describe the California measles 'epidemic' here -http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/magazine/physicstoday/news/10.1063/PT.5.8096
I feel like Molly though. I'm a scientist convinced by the general vaccine case. Yet we have been misled by public information before and we rarely get sane presentation of the anti-cases. Perhaps the most interesting moral issues concern not immunising your own baby on grounds of a religion of goodwill towards others or in selfish protection of one's own once the 92-4% thresh-hold for community protection is passed. On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 1:46:50 PM UTC, archytas wrote: > > The epidemiology is probably quite clear to epidemiologists Molly. And > there lies the rub. How do the rest of us cope with the statistics > involved and understand the risks and benefits? We had measles parties far > more dangerous than inoculation, but safer than getting the disease as > adults. The public debate or lack of it is very worrying. Duck and cover! > > The role of ignorance in delusion is complex. Authorities assume the > masses are ignorant and patronise a simplified positive case and various > others then get in with crank and actual critique. Similar issues can be > found in the 3-parent baby debate. The classic delusion is that we vote on > the economy, knowing no economics (let alone it is a dud deception), even > at the level of newsroom punditry that plays to the delusion. > > On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 12:17:06 PM UTC, Molly wrote: >> >> I've been wondering about this whole measles outbreak frenzy and am >> appalled at the seemingly intelligent people impassioned about it and >> missing so many of the important points in their arguments: >> 1. History shows us occasional outbreaks of disease that populations have >> been inoculated against >> 2. In researching numbers beyond the CDC accounts, there appears to be >> many more cases of measles last year than the current outbreak >> 3. We give our children three times the number of vaccinations that we >> did a generation ago and standard protocol is to give them some on the day >> they are born >> 4. My son was given the measles vaccine at age two and a half. Now it is >> administered before age one in the recommended schedule >> 5. No one is talking about the know side effects to each vaccine or cases >> where vaccines are directly related to health problems >> >> It seems to me that delusions can be not only originated but perpetuated >> by groups that look away for all of the info, focusing instead on a few >> facts that provide the spin of the agenda and the fear that carries it >> through the crowd. Don't get me wrong, I am not advocating "no vaccines" >> for children, but do think the current hysteria in the US delusional. >> >> On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 5:41:40 AM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >>> >>> People generally don't talk about what is happening to them like that >>> Tony. The academic language get so high falutin as to be part of the >>> deception itself as a weird abstraction. There are some obvious >>> experiments we do, yet people go away imagining they saw through the >>> illusion even though we make it plain they didn't. Goffman was quite good >>> in 'presentation of self' but the real trick would be getting people to >>> talk about their own experience. My excuse for seeing newsroom women as >>> 'sex objects' is because they never deliver any news. Some would see this >>> as an old man's delusion, but I think an entirely different illusion is >>> created >>> >>> I agree all your points and wonder how long the list would be. >>> >>> On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 2:01:36 AM UTC, facilitator wrote: >>>> >>>> Sorry to get back on topic but this interests me. >>>> >>>> "How are delusions maintained, as in creationism, democracy, free >>>> trade, markets, the wars on drugs, terrorism and amongst cops, social >>>> workers and …." >>>> >>>> Best way to maintain a delusion: >>>> >>>> 1) Numerically. Easier to maintain a delusion when it is held by a >>>> majority. >>>> 2) Chronoligically. It has been this way for…. Why would it be >>>> different now? >>>> 3) Embellishment. Add a bit of gravitas by associating the delusion >>>> with prominent figures, scientists, heads of religious orders etc. >>>> 4) Hide its toxic nature. Keep the poison palatable by mixing with >>>> enough truth in order to change its color or palatability. >>>> 5) Multiplicity. Add a delusion to the delusion so the first delusion >>>> becomes less deniable. >>>> 6) Serial encryption. Pack the delusion with a series of undeniable >>>> facts. >>>> 7) Geographic lamination. Move the context of the delusion so that >>>> it becomes difficult to challenge. Example: "Finish your vegetables >>>> there >>>> are children starving in China" >>>> 8) Terminology disassociation. When the government wants to hide it's >>>> killing of innocent civilians (example: Waco,TX) the name of the living >>>> quarters changes from school to "compound". >>>> >>> -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
