Yep, he passed the bar some time ago, which is a big part of why he no longer had time for these conversations.
He's not alone in that, apparently. Over a thousand members, 5 actually post? On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:32 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Such charm as ever Gabby. The term paedophile is not well taken here and > may really insult Allan and make him sad. Molly was gone, in the sense of > 'gone fishin'. Craig was becoming a lawyer. Hope he made it. He was a > Mormon too. > > It would have been nice to hear updates on Bacon. There were eleven > Idols. I expect your superior model incorporates them, or perhaps spits > spleen. We can only be sure of never seeing it. > > We model defeasibly now and use a lot of geometry because a lot of us > think in shape. The idea is to make natural language usable by the > machine. It has even more difficulty making sense of just what humans say > than a pair of paranoid-schizoid positionists. We do consider 'shapes' > like the molygon as underliers in our logic and they are instructive. A > gabbygon is on the horizon - some no doubt thinking this is the best > place. The general theory is called 'bag of words' - we look for shapes in > text to give context meaning and identify root metaphors. You probably > know how the SNERT stands out like a sore thumb? Maybe accusing old men > and their dogs kind of thing? We are trying to find much more routine > issues in word use to get at some of Tony has described as dishonesty from > 'bag of words' samples taken from the 'marketplace' and other Idol > conversations. What the machine establishes from metadata - considering we > often haven't - is fascinating because we are not sure what it i doing at > all. We have it working on the self-justification of psychopaths at the > moment. > > Gravity obviously collapses on seeing a photograph of me. Thanks for the > memory. > > > On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 3:13:50 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >> >> This here is my real lesson. You have been bringing up and pushing this >> idol model so many times that I have forgotten what the one was that I >> found better. All that I remember is that it was either located in the >> alchemy or in the metaphysical poetry context. It was a perfect four is all >> that is left. It has been overwritten by your four idols. >> >> 2015-02-11 1:35 GMT+01:00 archytas <[email protected]>: >> >>> Francis Bacon classified the intellectual fallacies of his time under >>> four headings which he called idols. He distinguished them as idols of the >>> Tribe, idols of the e, idols of the Marketplace and idols of the Theatre. >>> An idol is an image, in this case held in the mind, which receives >>> veneration but is without substance in itself. Bacon did not regard idols >>> as symbols, but rather as fixations. They expand a bit like this: >>> >>> 1. Tribe >>> >>> The example of desiring to see more order in the universe than is >>> actually there is one of his examples of an idol of the tribe. He thinks >>> that we all suffer from that one. >>> >>> 2. Cave >>> >>> An example of an idol of the cave (one of Bacon's examples) is that some >>> minds are more drawn to new things and new ideas than they are to what has >>> been around for a long time, while other minds are more drawn to >>> "tradition" and "old school" ideas and ways than they are to newness. Bacon >>> thinks we should become aware what our own tendency is so that we can make >>> corrections for it. He hopes that by becoming aware of our own mind's >>> tendencies toward loving novelty or tradition that we might be able to >>> "correct" for them and then hopefully see things more clearly and truly. >>> >>> 3. Marketplace >>> >>> We often use words very loosely in common discourse. Bacon sees nothing >>> wrong with that when we are just speaking ordinary language with friends >>> and family. But, when it comes to trying to describe the world accurately >>> and precisely, we should be aware of our tendency to use words loosely and >>> should try to correct for it. When we are trying to speak precisely we >>> should probably not say things like "The mountain is out today" (anyone >>> outside of the Puget Sound area wouldn't have a clue what this means); or >>> "The sun went under a cloud" (the sun did not go anywhere, let along >>> underneath something); or "The sun came up this morning" (the earth >>> actually just rotated). None of those sentences is precisely true, and if >>> we use language imprecisely like this it can sometimes accidentally lead to >>> huge misapprehensions about the world. Bacon thinks this misuse of words >>> and language causes far more problems than we realize. >>> >>> 4. Theatre >>> >>> If you can think of someone you know who has recently bought into a >>> whole new religion or philosophy or psychology, you can probably see how >>> they have suddenly come to interpret everything in the universe according >>> to their new world view. That world view has become the new lens through >>> which they perceive and interpret everything in their world. What Bacon >>> says, though, is that we all do this. We all interpret the world through >>> the lens of our own little world view. It's just easier to see other people >>> doing it than it is to see ourselves doing it. Bacon thinks we should >>> become aware of how these world views shape and distort our own perceptions >>> of the world so that we might be able to correct for it a bit. >>> >>> This is old work. My questions are about how we recognise the 'second >>> head' as a delusion yet move hardly at all on obvious political delusions >>> like economics, votes counting, social care, public ignorance and the >>> making invisible of many social issues. For me, deep questions on self are >>> involved. The internet self is unlikely to be, as Tony says, the same as >>> the 'real'one - but then we have know for much longer than the internet >>> people don't say the same things in different contexts. In fact the man or >>> woman in the bar often looks totally different the morning after, let alone >>> what the politician says in a speech compared with when she is with her >>> backroom boys in the spin room. >>> >>> . >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:17:04 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>> >>>> At least with my knowledge of delusions I can imagine certain people >>>> growing a second head overnight and shooting the wrong spare. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:11:09 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>>> >>>>> That seems to run to form Gabby. >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:06:43 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Facil picked up your question and gave his answer, I agreed and then >>>>>> came Allan barking at Facil and I told Allan to watch his tongue or leave >>>>>> to his own thread. Only then did you enter the group timeline to start >>>>>> your >>>>>> big daddy has come home show. Now tell me what my deceitful intent was >>>>>> ... >>>>>> Or better, tell me tomorrow, I'm off for today. >>>>>> >>>>>> Am Dienstag, 10. Februar 2015 schrieb archytas : >>>>>> >>>>>>> The only people I meet like that tend to be online students Tony. >>>>>>> We use Skype video conferencing for a few sessions, so have actually >>>>>>> seen >>>>>>> each other. I'm quieter than people imagine, though none have yet said >>>>>>> 'uglier'. I'm very prone to catch whatever bugs go around university >>>>>>> environments too, so rather like electronic distance. With colleagues, >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> situation is we know a lot more about each other than most in online >>>>>>> encounters. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My version has 'confusion' written through it. I say something, >>>>>>> Gabby takes it another way, or knows what I intended and chooses another >>>>>>> slant for whatever reason. Online, I assume she has a sense of humour >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> a good turn with words. Deception is not part of this in the first >>>>>>> place. >>>>>>> Just guesses with less risk than so called reality. I suppose the >>>>>>> classic >>>>>>> online deceiver is the groomer - where the intent is to set up and image >>>>>>> and then meet the victim. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 7:54:18 PM UTC, facilitator wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 2:11:33 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The delusion that we are what we project is interesting Tony. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "We claim to be what we project". Your version allows for reality >>>>>>>> mine allows for dishonesty. I think most people want to project a >>>>>>>> filtered >>>>>>>> image of themselves enough so that if we ever meet people who we've >>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>> conversed with online we become slightly astonished how different they >>>>>>>> appear and act in "real life". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>>>>>> the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/to >>>>>>> pic/minds-eye/2_ICOWzarWY/unsubscribe. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ >>> topic/minds-eye/2_ICOWzarWY/unsubscribe. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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