As trolls Allan, we could live under this damp bridge together forever, shoring it up against google unsupport in the last days. Then, in a final Zimmer-movement, we will outflank the slave-ant queen.
The internet is pretty dire. We are like people who want there to be a theatre in town, but never go, preferring to moan about the paucity of television. On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 7:17:00 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > It may not be fancy new format, but I personally like it. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 8:13 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Delusions > > Orn also took on this crown from which you stole the jewels to feed your > raising-Allan-to-dust laser-tarot. I was asked so suggested you, already > doing enough paid moderation for my needs. The crown was known to be > empty. We could all have moved on, though the negativity of non-enthusiasm > was entirely in positive decline. We could try the new Gabbywit format > with its underlying moaning minnie architecture and stuck-in-the-mud > operating system. I do know of formats we could have tried, but the > essence, beyond smiling pussies in gif and Chris holding up a beer. is > content and supervision of the nasties. Let me read you a bedtime story, > with at least 4 policewomen standing by, from the Book of Management. > That's what you get once people void themselves of responsibility for > content and can only turn up with gossip, small talk and wassup > sexism.ageism and control fetish. One almost misses the American > exceptionalists and their use of the world socialist as a pejorative like > an old spinster muttering 'sex'. > > On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 5:37:42 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >> >> Over a thousand members, 5 actually post? >> >> >> This question coming from you? YOU! Oh come on, Chrissy baby! This is an >> outdated format here that doesn't generate much traffic anymore. You know >> that, that`s your job to know that, that`s why you quit the mod job here! >> No one is blaming you for that but don´t play the innocent here! You >> introduced no transparent polling as to who should become your successor, >> but lay down your crown to the one who threw his hat in the ring, a method >> acceptable for the queen also. Nice try, dear. >> >> 2015-02-11 17:34 GMT+01:00 Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>: >> >>> Yep, he passed the bar some time ago, which is a big part of why he no >>> longer had time for these conversations. >>> >>> He's not alone in that, apparently. Over a thousand members, 5 actually >>> post? >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:32 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Such charm as ever Gabby. The term paedophile is not well taken here >>>> and may really insult Allan and make him sad. Molly was gone, in the >>>> sense >>>> of 'gone fishin'. Craig was becoming a lawyer. Hope he made it. He was a >>>> Mormon too. >>>> >>>> It would have been nice to hear updates on Bacon. There were eleven >>>> Idols. I expect your superior model incorporates them, or perhaps spits >>>> spleen. We can only be sure of never seeing it. >>>> >>>> We model defeasibly now and use a lot of geometry because a lot of us >>>> think in shape. The idea is to make natural language usable by the >>>> machine. It has even more difficulty making sense of just what humans say >>>> than a pair of paranoid-schizoid positionists. We do consider 'shapes' >>>> like the molygon as underliers in our logic and they are instructive. A >>>> gabbygon is on the horizon - some no doubt thinking this is the best >>>> place. The general theory is called 'bag of words' - we look for shapes >>>> in >>>> text to give context meaning and identify root metaphors. You probably >>>> know how the SNERT stands out like a sore thumb? Maybe accusing old men >>>> and their dogs kind of thing? We are trying to find much more routine >>>> issues in word use to get at some of Tony has described as dishonesty >>>> from >>>> 'bag of words' samples taken from the 'marketplace' and other Idol >>>> conversations. What the machine establishes from metadata - considering >>>> we >>>> often haven't - is fascinating because we are not sure what it i doing at >>>> all. We have it working on the self-justification of psychopaths at the >>>> moment. >>>> >>>> Gravity obviously collapses on seeing a photograph of me. Thanks for >>>> the memory. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 3:13:50 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This here is my real lesson. You have been bringing up and pushing >>>>> this idol model so many times that I have forgotten what the one was that >>>>> I >>>>> found better. All that I remember is that it was either located in the >>>>> alchemy or in the metaphysical poetry context. It was a perfect four is >>>>> all >>>>> that is left. It has been overwritten by your four idols. >>>>> >>>>> 2015-02-11 1:35 GMT+01:00 archytas <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>>> Francis Bacon classified the intellectual fallacies of his time under >>>>>> four headings which he called idols. He distinguished them as idols of >>>>>> the >>>>>> Tribe, idols of the e, idols of the Marketplace and idols of the >>>>>> Theatre. >>>>>> An idol is an image, in this case held in the mind, which receives >>>>>> veneration but is without substance in itself. Bacon did not regard >>>>>> idols >>>>>> as symbols, but rather as fixations. They expand a bit like this: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Tribe >>>>>> >>>>>> The example of desiring to see more order in the universe than is >>>>>> actually there is one of his examples of an idol of the tribe. He thinks >>>>>> that we all suffer from that one. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Cave >>>>>> >>>>>> An example of an idol of the cave (one of Bacon's examples) is that >>>>>> some minds are more drawn to new things and new ideas than they are to >>>>>> what >>>>>> has been around for a long time, while other minds are more drawn to >>>>>> "tradition" and "old school" ideas and ways than they are to newness. >>>>>> Bacon >>>>>> thinks we should become aware what our own tendency is so that we can >>>>>> make >>>>>> corrections for it. He hopes that by becoming aware of our own mind's >>>>>> tendencies toward loving novelty or tradition that we might be able to >>>>>> "correct" for them and then hopefully see things more clearly and truly. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. Marketplace >>>>>> >>>>>> We often use words very loosely in common discourse. Bacon sees >>>>>> nothing wrong with that when we are just speaking ordinary language with >>>>>> friends and family. But, when it comes to trying to describe the world >>>>>> accurately and precisely, we should be aware of our tendency to use >>>>>> words >>>>>> loosely and should try to correct for it. When we are trying to speak >>>>>> precisely we should probably not say things like "The mountain is out >>>>>> today" (anyone outside of the Puget Sound area wouldn't have a clue what >>>>>> this means); or "The sun went under a cloud" (the sun did not go >>>>>> anywhere, >>>>>> let along underneath something); or "The sun came up this morning" (the >>>>>> earth actually just rotated). None of those sentences is precisely true, >>>>>> and if we use language imprecisely like this it can sometimes >>>>>> accidentally >>>>>> lead to huge misapprehensions about the world. Bacon thinks this misuse >>>>>> of >>>>>> words and language causes far more problems than we realize. >>>>>> >>>>>> 4. Theatre >>>>>> >>>>>> If you can think of someone you know who has recently bought into a >>>>>> whole new religion or philosophy or psychology, you can probably see how >>>>>> they have suddenly come to interpret everything in the universe >>>>>> according >>>>>> to their new world view. That world view has become the new lens through >>>>>> which they perceive and interpret everything in their world. What Bacon >>>>>> says, though, is that we all do this. We all interpret the world through >>>>>> the lens of our own little world view. It's just easier to see other >>>>>> people >>>>>> doing it than it is to see ourselves doing it. Bacon thinks we should >>>>>> become aware of how these world views shape and distort our own >>>>>> perceptions >>>>>> of the world so that we might be able to correct for it a bit. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is old work. My questions are about how we recognise the >>>>>> 'second head' as a delusion yet move hardly at all on obvious political >>>>>> delusions like economics, votes counting, social care, public ignorance >>>>>> and >>>>>> the making invisible of many social issues. For me, deep questions on >>>>>> self >>>>>> are involved. The internet self is unlikely to be, as Tony says, the >>>>>> same >>>>>> as the 'real'one - but then we have know for much longer than the >>>>>> internet >>>>>> people don't say the same things in different contexts. In fact the man >>>>>> or >>>>>> woman in the bar often looks totally different the morning after, let >>>>>> alone >>>>>> what the politician says in a speech compared with when she is with her >>>>>> backroom boys in the spin room. >>>>>> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:17:04 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At least with my knowledge of delusions I can imagine certain people >>>>>>> growing a second head overnight and shooting the wrong spare. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:11:09 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That seems to run to form Gabby. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:06:43 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Facil picked up your question and gave his answer, I agreed and >>>>>>>>> then came Allan barking at Facil and I told Allan to watch his tongue >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> leave to his own thread. Only then did you enter the group timeline >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> start your big daddy has come home show. Now tell me what my >>>>>>>>> deceitful >>>>>>>>> intent was ... Or better, tell me tomorrow, I'm off for today. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Am Dienstag, 10. Februar 2015 schrieb archytas : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The only people I meet like that tend to be online students >>>>>>>>>> Tony. We use Skype video conferencing for a few sessions, so have >>>>>>>>>> actually >>>>>>>>>> seen each other. I'm quieter than people imagine, though none have >>>>>>>>>> yet >>>>>>>>>> said 'uglier'. I'm very prone to catch whatever bugs go around >>>>>>>>>> university >>>>>>>>>> environments too, so rather like electronic distance. With >>>>>>>>>> colleagues, the >>>>>>>>>> situation is we know a lot more about each other than most in online >>>>>>>>>> encounters. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My version has 'confusion' written through it. I say something, >>>>>>>>>> Gabby takes it another way, or knows what I intended and chooses >>>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>> slant for whatever reason. Online, I assume she has a sense of >>>>>>>>>> humour and >>>>>>>>>> a good turn with words. Deception is not part of this in the first >>>>>>>>>> place. >>>>>>>>>> Just guesses with less risk than so called reality. I suppose the >>>>>>>>>> classic >>>>>>>>>> online deceiver is the groomer - where the intent is to set up and >>>>>>>>>> image >>>>>>>>>> and then meet the victim. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 7:54:18 PM UTC, facilitator >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 2:11:33 PM UTC-5, archytas >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The delusion that we are what we project is interesting Tony. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "We claim to be what we project". Your version allows for >>>>>>>>>>> reality mine allows for dishonesty. I think most people want to >>>>>>>>>>> project a >>>>>>>>>>> filtered image of themselves enough so that if we ever meet people >>>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>> we've only conversed with online we become slightly astonished how >>>>>>>>>>> different they appear and act in "real life". >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic >>>>>>>>>> in the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/minds-eye/2_ICOWzarWY/unsu >>>>>>>>>> bscribe. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email >>>>>>>>>> to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>>>>> the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ >>>>>> topic/minds-eye/2_ICOWzarWY/unsubscribe. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/minds-eye/2_ICOWzarWY/unsubscribe. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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