That concept is more egocentric than anything else.

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

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From: archytas <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: The religious atheist

In 1972 *Limits to Growth* had this to say - also strikingly religious:

We affirm finally that any deliberate attempt to reach a rational and 
enduring state of equilibrium by planned measures, rather than by chance or 
catastrophe, must ultimately be founded on a basic change of values and 
goals at individual, national and world levels.

We might wonder, on diversity, how anthropocentric we actually are.

On Friday, February 20, 2015 at 8:41:02 PM UTC, archytas wrote:
>
> Genesis 1:27-8 states: “God created man in his own image, in the image of 
> God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, 
> and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, 
> and subdue it: and have dominion over fish of the sea, and over fowl of the 
> air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.” 
>
> This is a bit more than just 'replenish'.
>
> On Friday, February 20, 2015 at 8:28:24 PM UTC, archytas wrote:
>>
>> The finds were originally cited as 'bible proof'.  
>>
>> On Friday, February 20, 2015 at 8:12:28 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>
>>> As for the Matterhorn I didn't  believe it was watching a program on 
>>> continental development.. The top is africa. 
>>>
>>> It is knowing what to look for.. 
>>>
>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Sent: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 8:54 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: The religious atheist
>>>
>>> It was always one of my dumb spots Allan.  There were loads around on 
>>> beaches where I was counting dog-whelk 'teeth'.  I somehow missed them 
>>> until I was shown what to look for.  As for 'Africa' folding over the 
>>> Matterhorn, this is yet another example of not being able to think in big 
>>> time and how much one needs to know to see what evidence is.  I can never 
>>> really understand how buildings from comparatively recent times end up 
>>> buried, presumably because this is not something we see in a lifetime.  
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 20, 2015 at 7:22:26 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thats a long time..  
>>>> Fossils  are not really hard to find its more a matter of knowing where 
>>>> to look..   They are very much a part of the geological record in my home 
>>>> state of Montana.. 
>>>> One of the strangest records is the top of the Matterhorn wich is from 
>>>> the african continent. 
>>>> Weird but true.. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Sent: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 7:42 PM
>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: The religious atheist
>>>>
>>>> Type II since I was 19.  Just changed to a tablet that removes sugars 
>>>> from blood via kidneys.  Disrupts the rest of the digestive system less, 
>>>> which has been a big problem the last ten years.
>>>>
>>>> I am still amazed by people who find fossils and how they sniff them 
>>>> out.  I may as well be hunting truffles without a pig.  I have the same 
>>>> difficulty with evolution and time, but guess I have no real concept of 
>>>> the 
>>>> vastness of time  I explored the idea of a civilization 4 billion years 
>>>> older than ours that is no longer libidinal, do energy matter conversion 
>>>> and so on - and found I lacked imagination.  Must be my 
>>>> zombie-moron-lack-of-diversity gene.  I can't understand how we walked out 
>>>> of the sea, or whatever precursor did.  We have seen lizards evolve in 
>>>> real 
>>>> time in the West Indies somewhere.  I guess I can see survival mechanisms 
>>>> in transition.  Genetics and increasingly epigenetics do tell us a lot 
>>>> about biological change.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not much concerned religious text gets so much wrong.  Deprived of 
>>>> modern science I don't think I would have a clue.  We can invent stories 
>>>> now and one looks much like another in terms of plot, genre and characters 
>>>> from Attic tragedy and comedy.  Visitations from gods and angels seem very 
>>>> unlikely, pretty much like monetary policy.  I favour looking at the stuff 
>>>> as fiction, quite a common matter in history and source evaluation.
>>>>
>>>> The Mars trip is throwing up some interesting fuel-saving dodges   One 
>>>> is to chuck us out in front of the planet so its gravity pulls us in, and 
>>>> to slow us down in its atmosphere to save braking fuel.  This would leave 
>>>> enough propulsion energy to get us back using a similar trick with Earth. 
>>>>  Europa is my preferred destination, though gravity and radiation effects 
>>>> from Jupiter pose extra problems.  Life at either venue would pose some 
>>>> interesting questions, hopefully through a universal translator.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, February 20, 2015 at 5:42:46 PM UTC, facilitator wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm in on the trip to mars when it becomes a round trip ticket.  Hell, 
>>>>> I'l go to Europa when the price is right!
>>>>>
>>>>> The fossil record doesn't bother me other than there really shouldn't 
>>>>> be one.  Not because they didn't exist but because a fossil in nature's 
>>>>> world is an anomaly, not a given means of preservation.  Dead things get 
>>>>> eaten and usually don't wait for a massive world reaching demise.  In the 
>>>>> mythos when man was "placed" here as a teenager they weren't asked to 
>>>>> start 
>>>>> fresh but to "Replenish" which seems to indicate something was before 
>>>>> which 
>>>>> isn't now.  So many fossils, so little time.   Time does not favor 
>>>>> evolution, unless there is an orchestrated change.  Nature doesn't like a 
>>>>> vacuum but it abhors change even more.  Genetics favors things staying 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> same so that the food cycle remains constant and precipitously balanced. 
>>>>>
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