They let us talk about god and religion, indeed it was forced on me at primary school. Some of us are skeptical enough to wonder whether creation stories still influence our science on such as creation events in seriously disruptive, deluding ways. Science has its clergy with the knowledge and languages that are more excruciating to learn than Latin Mass. Lay appreciation of science may be little more than being swooned by incense, song and being with others on the same page.
What we don't seem allowed to do is shift to a modern religion of genuine emancipation. There would be something I could regard as genuine faith in such a move, which would be one against human constructions of divine right. On Saturday, February 21, 2015 at 5:26:55 PM UTC, archytas wrote: > > There was a cyclist on the cycle path while I walked the dogs this > afternoon. First time in ten years. We have lots of cycle paths and road > lanes no one uses in the UK. Is this a "sign"? God, if there is one, many > or otherwise, seems to have us conscious of being and developing in a > peculiar way. I wonder if her definition lies in the way we are. > > On Saturday, February 21, 2015 at 4:17:20 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >> >> Big bang is not necessarily a creation event RP. God from logic? I >> prefer the ghost buster business plan. I feel some presence is all. >> >> On Saturday, February 21, 2015 at 4:06:12 PM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>> >>> The conclusion that it exists is a product of logic, Life had to come >>> out of something and what better than the One. It is logical to believe >>> that all come out of One and not the many. >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 9:17 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> First you said it was hiding behind the many, now you are saying it is >>>> above all. May I ask what it is that makes you so sure it exists, if the >>>> mapping is so complicated? How do we know we are not falling for a ghost >>>> buster business model? >>>> >>>> >>>> Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015 schrieb RP Singh <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> The One is not present in the past , present and the future , rather >>>>> it is time , past , present and future which is preent in the One. The >>>>> One >>>>> is above time as it is above all. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 7:38 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Why should that One have the need to hide behind the many, when ever >>>>>> present in past, present and future? I would understand if it wants to >>>>>> hide >>>>>> its shadows there behind the Big Bang, but then we should help the One >>>>>> to >>>>>> find its way out there! Time is now. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015 schrieb RP Singh <[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The entire universe emanated from something following the big bang , >>>>>>> but it cannot be said to be that something rather it is the something >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> is behind the universe. So the One behind the many. Now all the >>>>>>> individuals >>>>>>> have come from that something but cannot be said to be that something. >>>>>>> Again as all come from that something they are ever present in that, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> all past , present and future is just history abiding in that something. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 6:59 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The One but the many, the many but the One - does not sound >>>>>>>> convincing in my ears. Allan, what do you say? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015 schrieb RP Singh <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gabby , the logic is that One is behind the many , but not the >>>>>>>>> many. The individual is just a fragment or rather an emanation of the >>>>>>>>> One , >>>>>>>>> but not the One. It is the One which is the repository of all >>>>>>>>> knowledge >>>>>>>>> where the infinite beings , the limitless creation, is unmanifest and >>>>>>>>> become manifest when their time comes. Theoretically as all that has >>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>> or will be is there in the unmanifest any thing in the past or >>>>>>>>> anything in >>>>>>>>> the future can be known by touching that source. The past, present or >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> future is all history as it always exists in the One. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:03 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey, your spell checker is doing a good job, Allan! :) Thanks. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The compass needle is in balance. Back in balance. As this seems >>>>>>>>>> to be your orientational pattern: "bring back information from the >>>>>>>>>> totality >>>>>>>>>> of all knowledge". God being the representative of the "all >>>>>>>>>> knowledge" and >>>>>>>>>> therefore greater than the individual knowledge. Did I get that >>>>>>>>>> right so >>>>>>>>>> far? What leaves me wondering is, how does that understanding match >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> the One&theMany understanding, which would not really draw the line >>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>> the individual and the All, but see the different perspectives as >>>>>>>>>> the cause >>>>>>>>>> for you seeing God as being greater. Or let me ask differently, how >>>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>> would you say is the soul the individual representative of the >>>>>>>>>> totality of >>>>>>>>>> all knowledge? And in how much is the soul equipped with its own >>>>>>>>>> compass >>>>>>>>>> needle from there? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015 schrieb : >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Was thinking about the old testament. Whati don't like about it >>>>>>>>>>> is the inaccurate descriptions. Or outright lies but what van you >>>>>>>>>>> expect >>>>>>>>>>> from a group of people trying to put themselves above the rest of >>>>>>>>>>> humanity. >>>>>>>>>>> I can relate to some of what is recorded because similar things >>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> occurred to me, which leaves me wondering what really went on. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The story of creation is fasinating especially if you pitch thr >>>>>>>>>>> time scale and look it as stages.. In its own right it ts a >>>>>>>>>>> simplified >>>>>>>>>>> version of the big bsng theory told to a group of herders/hunter >>>>>>>>>>> gathers >>>>>>>>>>> explaining their origin.. Similar in aspects to the stories of how >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> navajo emerhed on this earth. Both are amazingly accurate. >>>>>>>>>>> Personally in >>>>>>>>>>> my views I tend to be a transendentlist believing that one can >>>>>>>>>>> actually >>>>>>>>>>> cross the time/space barrier to bring back information from the >>>>>>>>>>> totality of >>>>>>>>>>> all knowledge (which is ever expanding and not stagnant) because >>>>>>>>>>> of my >>>>>>>>>>> understanding of a being greater than myself which I commonly refer >>>>>>>>>>> to as >>>>>>>>>>> God. This being helps me retrieve new information in a format you >>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>> understand. 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