That's rather to individualistic for me Molly - though I don't disagree with the spirit of it, with reservations about the possibility this could be a construction of govern-mentality in the subjective.
On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 6:35:28 PM UTC, Molly wrote: > > Relating through inner peace does require a different skill set, and can > upset everything we have learned about people (and some of what we know of > ourselves.) As daunting as a whole new operating system that requires > learning all new settings. Once you get through it, you find that people > respond differently to you in the same circumstance. The change is in you, > not others or the world. > > On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 1:01:17 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >> >> Some minds were so troubled, suicide was the option on failure to resolve >> difficult problems (Bolzman supposedly etc). Skepticism lets us see things >> might be different (obviously in very real ways on things as atoms or >> whatever else they divide up as, still leaving what might be important to >> find), but leaves certainty in a quandary, including certainty about >> skepticism. Logics fail to escape this quandary too, though we don't use >> them in practice to reach certainty - more to know what pathways work and >> those that don't. There may be no gods, yet we can also suppose worlds >> with them and wonder which we think would be better. >> >> Mostly RP, we think theories arise in intuition and a lot of early >> decisions we make on approximation, choice of mathematical systems, >> measurement and separating facts from fairy stories - but this too tends to >> be philosophical work done after the fact. Any purity of origin is >> disputable rather than logical. But it is all much to do with recognising >> different ways to do things and respect for that difference. Logical and >> mathematical systems all seem to have an 'outside' that the inner >> consistency relies on. >> >> Molly's quiet mind is something of an aspiration. I don't see the switch >> the car off metaphor as mind seems very active when we think it's switched >> off because we have lost awareness. I am more 'RP' on this in that we need >> security. Much mind for me is external and embodied in the >> social-technological. >> >> Presence, as Allan has just said, is often ineffable. It is very >> difficult to relate through inner peace too. >> >> On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 11:57:09 AM UTC, Molly wrote: >>> >>> I agree with Neil's statement that it is sometimes hard to see beyond >>> the apparent horror of the presence manifest. Just as it is hard to not be >>> distracted by the perceived beauty. Somewhere in there, we get caught up in >>> the mental gymnastics of judgment and logic. Life to me, is more peaceful >>> and joyful if I can suspend all of that. I don't leave my car running when >>> I don't need to use it.Yet my car is an integral part of my life. I've >>> found my mind to be much the same, an important mechanism that if I keep it >>> well maintained and stored, is there and running at peak operational >>> capacity when needed. That presence can be experienced much more profoundly >>> with a quiet mind, IMHO >>> >>> On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 6:20:57 AM UTC-5, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> Started working on a reply.. But like somethings I write they just >>>> disappear and I can't explain it.. >>>> >>>> Neil is very correct when he is saying he feels a presence. When I >>>> reglect upon my personal experiences what I am experience it is a presence >>>> that I am interacting with.. >>>> >>>> Thank you Neil for the very deep insight. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 3:53 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: The religious atheist >>>> >>>> Creation is not a work of hand but will , if something manifests and >>>> evolves it is the work of will, not necessarily a will like ours and not >>>> by >>>> a conscious being like us but by the Being which scientists are >>>> conjecturing as something before the big bang , the cause of it. To me >>>> that >>>> Something is God as that is the origin of the universe. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 9:47 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Big bang is not necessarily a creation event RP. God from logic? I >>>>> prefer the ghost buster business plan. I feel some presence is all. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, February 21, 2015 at 4:06:12 PM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The conclusion that it exists is a product of logic, Life had to come >>>>>> out of something and what better than the One. It is logical to believe >>>>>> that all come out of One and not the many. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 9:17 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> First you said it was hiding behind the many, now you are saying it >>>>>>> is above all. May I ask what it is that makes you so sure it exists, if >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> mapping is so complicated? How do we know we are not falling for a >>>>>>> ghost >>>>>>> buster business model? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015 schrieb RP Singh <[email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The One is not present in the past , present and the future , >>>>>>>> rather it is time , past , present and future which is preent in the >>>>>>>> One. >>>>>>>> The One is above time as it is above all. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 7:38 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why should that One have the need to hide behind the many, when >>>>>>>>> ever present in past, present and future? I would understand if it >>>>>>>>> wants to >>>>>>>>> hide its shadows there behind the Big Bang, but then we should help >>>>>>>>> the One >>>>>>>>> to find its way out there! Time is now. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015 schrieb RP Singh <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The entire universe emanated from something following the big >>>>>>>>>> bang , but it cannot be said to be that something rather it is the >>>>>>>>>> something which is behind the universe. So the One behind the many. >>>>>>>>>> Now all >>>>>>>>>> the individuals have come from that something but cannot be said to >>>>>>>>>> be that >>>>>>>>>> something. Again as all come from that something they are ever >>>>>>>>>> present in >>>>>>>>>> that, and all past , present and future is just history abiding in >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> something. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 6:59 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The One but the many, the many but the One - does not sound >>>>>>>>>>> convincing in my ears. Allan, what do you say? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015 schrieb RP Singh <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> >: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Gabby , the logic is that One is behind the many , but not the >>>>>>>>>>>> many. The individual is just a fragment or rather an emanation of >>>>>>>>>>>> the One , >>>>>>>>>>>> but not the One. It is the One which is the repository of all >>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge >>>>>>>>>>>> where the infinite beings , the limitless creation, is unmanifest >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> become manifest when their time comes. Theoretically as all that >>>>>>>>>>>> has been >>>>>>>>>>>> or will be is there in the unmanifest any thing in the past or >>>>>>>>>>>> anything in >>>>>>>>>>>> the future can be known by touching that source. The past, present >>>>>>>>>>>> or the >>>>>>>>>>>> future is all history as it always exists in the One. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:03 PM, gabbydott <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey, your spell checker is doing a good job, Allan! :) Thanks. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The compass needle is in balance. Back in balance. As this >>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to be your orientational pattern: "bring back information >>>>>>>>>>>>> from the >>>>>>>>>>>>> totality of all knowledge". God being the representative of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> "all >>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" and therefore greater than the individual knowledge. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Did I get >>>>>>>>>>>>> that right so far? What leaves me wondering is, how does that >>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding match with the One&theMany understanding, which >>>>>>>>>>>>> would not >>>>>>>>>>>>> really draw the line between the individual and the All, but see >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> different perspectives as the cause for you seeing God as being >>>>>>>>>>>>> greater. Or >>>>>>>>>>>>> let me ask differently, how much would you say is the soul the >>>>>>>>>>>>> individual >>>>>>>>>>>>> representative of the totality of all knowledge? And in how much >>>>>>>>>>>>> is the >>>>>>>>>>>>> soul equipped with its own compass needle from there? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015 schrieb : >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was thinking about the old testament. Whati don't like about >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is the inaccurate descriptions. Or outright lies but what van >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you expect >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from a group of people trying to put themselves above the rest >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of humanity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can relate to some of what is recorded because similar things >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> occurred to me, which leaves me wondering what really went on. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The story of creation is fasinating especially if you pitch >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thr time scale and look it as stages.. In its own right it ts a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplified version of the big bsng theory told to a group of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> herders/hunter gathers explaining their origin.. Similar in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> aspects to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stories of how the navajo emerhed on this earth. Both are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> amazingly >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accurate. Personally in my views I tend to be a transendentlist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> believing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that one can actually cross the time/space barrier to bring back >>>>>>>>>>>>>> information from the totality of all knowledge (which is ever >>>>>>>>>>>>>> expanding and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not stagnant) because of my understanding of a being greater >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than myself >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I commonly refer to as God. This being helps me retrieve >>>>>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>>>>> information in a format you can understand. 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