Matchmaking at your own double-standards ... Yes please explain to RP how to be the Hindu God you expect him to be ... Great theatre here today
Am Freitag, 27. Februar 2015 schrieb : > In my simple point of view anyone that follows the teachings of anyone of > the Hindu Gods falls into the category of being Hindu.. and you fit that > description by your own words. > I do accept you as you are. Over the years i have watched evolve some > interesting ideas only to watch you to return > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: RP Singh <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> > To: Minds Eye <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> > Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 2:51 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence > > Allan, I never said that I am a Hindu, I don't believe in any religion. I > take what I want and discard what I don't. As for agreement, do as you > please. I have accepted you with your viewpoint and if you can't accept me > as I am, I don't see any need of a rational discourse. > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 6:56 PM, <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: > >> RP i am going to get really blunt with you . There is no human mind of >> can even begin to understand and comprehend the uncreated God. >> All your arguments you present are to show dissimilarities. By Hindu >> teachings say that everything returns to the uncreated God.. that teaching >> alone gives at least some of the uncreated God some form of physical >> presence. >> The argument you are presenting RP is saying Hinduism is full of shit.. >> sorry RP some of what you are saying does not hold water logically or >> illogically. Using similarities to demonstrate an idea is just that it >> creates a path to follow. I wrote it to help show you how to create a >> better argument. But true to form you only find disagreement. I am >> desperately try to find agreement. I have no idea what you want.. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: RP Singh <[email protected] >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> >> To: Minds Eye <[email protected] >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> >> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 1:50 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >> >> You are talking, Allan, as if god had some form and from that form he >> made the material universe and the human souls. The difference of your and >> my philosophy starts here only. God has no form from which he creates, he >> does so out of his creative power. Again there are material laws and >> biological laws, the material laws govern the physical universe whereas the >> biological laws govern the sentient world. We laugh and smile when our >> grandchild does something cute, that is because we have a 'love drive', we >> fall in love with a woman because we have a 'sex drive', we start searching >> for food because we have 'hunger'. Biology, psychology and sociology have >> relevance only when we are driven by nature, if we were free these subjects >> wouldn't be. Again, Allan, I admit that your view is important as it is a >> result of your experiences and your capabilities and is logical to you,and >> it is as such that I appreciate and accept your view, but that doesn't >> change my viewpoint as it is my logic and I am confident that such is truly >> the case. >> >> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:58 PM, <[email protected] >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >> >>> I think where your arguments and logic fail is in separating the >>> material reality and the spiritual reality.. you are treating them as the >>> same material bound by the same laws. Maybe an invalid comparison would be >>> a stem cell which creates the entirety of the body. As the body grows the >>> stem cell evolves into different forms, skin cells, heart cells, muscle >>> cells, nero cells. Each cell is totally different from the other cells >>> preforming functions totally different than those of the other cells. Each >>> type of cell originates from the simple stem and no longer resembles the >>> stem sell from which it originated. >>> >>> Now if we look at the essence of God similar to the role of the stem >>> cell. The essence of God evolves into the different materials that make >>> universe and the laws that govern it (remember there are different that >>> control materials like solids are guided by different laws than those >>> governing liquids or solids. >>> >>> Even though souls are created from the same essence of God the Soul is >>> evolved differently than say a rock and follows different guidelines.. your >>> logic does not allow for the different evolutions of the essence of God. >>> >>> You are semi correct but your logic needs to start allowing for >>> different material evolution. The logic you are presenting is saying that >>> if you need a heart transplant it is okay for the doctor to replace it with >>> a granite stone because the stone obeys exactly the same laws of God as the >>> heart does.. right,? [image: 😇] or [image: 😈] >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: RP Singh <[email protected] >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> >>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected] >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> >>> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:09 AM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >>> >>> Allan, it is an old debate, I tried to explain my viewpoint to Lee but >>> without success. What I am saying is that it is the 'I' which strives and >>> acts but the 'I' is just the medium, in the background is the Spirit or God >>> which has laid down rules which bring actions of men into a harmonious >>> whole. If everybody was free there would be chaos, but the reality is that >>> man is bound by nature within him and outside him and so there is harmony. >>> But that is not all, there is still strife which makes life interesting and >>> gives us accountability for our actions. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:55 PM, <[email protected] >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >>> >>>> It is not the source of creation i find difficulty with.. it is here. >>>> >>>> "We know that there is predetermination but why think that he has >>>> predetermined, think that it all naturally happens and evolution is a >>>> natural predetermined process. >>>> >>>> Your predetermination theory is where the problem lies.. >>>> predetermination removes free will. And free will is what allows us to >>>> chose how we respond to our environment. Without free will the soul might >>>> as well be a boring old robot running its unending program with no choice >>>> involved.. >>>> >>>> This is exactly the same point you joined the group with.. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected] >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> >>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected] >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> >>>> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 8:58 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >>>> >>>> Allan, in subjective matters proving your point is difficult if not >>>> impossible, I cannot prove my logic about God or the Source of creation. If >>>> people think that I am illogical, I can do nothing about it. I don't find >>>> your views correct, yet they are your views and to you they are logical and >>>> as such acceptable to me. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:18 PM, <[email protected] >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> See RP we both agree that God existed before the creation of the >>>>> universe.. beyond that your theology and logic becomes questionable.. >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected] >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> >>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected] >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> >>>>> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 5:07 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >>>>> >>>>> Neil, why think of God in the usual way, think of him as something >>>>> before the big bang from which the universe emerged. Think of him as the >>>>> mind which contained the unmanifest which became manifest as the universe. >>>>> We know that there is predetermination but why think that he has >>>>> predetermined, think that it all naturally happens and evolution is a >>>>> natural predetermined process. Why should God be aware like us, as the >>>>> source of all he need not be bound by the limits of consciousness and can >>>>> very well be unconscious. Have faith in such a God and your destiny. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:19 AM, archytas <[email protected] >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Postmodernism is supposedly a set of critical, strategic and >>>>>> rhetorical practices employing concepts such as difference, repetition, >>>>>> the >>>>>> trace, the simulacrum, and hyperreality to destabilize other concepts >>>>>> such >>>>>> as* presence*, identity, historical progress, epistemic certainty, >>>>>> and the univocity of meaning. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tony could be seen as replaying the liar's paradox here. To admit to >>>>>> hypocrisy may be to admit the truth. For some postmodern writers, one >>>>>> has >>>>>> to go further than any set of analytic rules and recognise madness at >>>>>> work >>>>>> and restriction of dialogue to safe metaphors like Freud's Oedipal >>>>>> family, >>>>>> when the world of real desire is very different (quite a few writers were >>>>>> gay). >>>>>> >>>>>> Skepticism, over many centuries, has taught a kind of suspension of >>>>>> judgement to a point when one works with many different arguments. >>>>>> Humour >>>>>> can often be the only thing left after rigorous doubting, a kind of >>>>>> self-depreciation in the face of conflicting evidence and themes. Those >>>>>> of >>>>>> us who 'know nothing' still know how to jibe "and even this is to know >>>>>> more >>>>>> than them, those who claim to know everything". This doubting process, >>>>>> in >>>>>> science, comes to at least a temporary end in crucial experiments that >>>>>> anyone, in principle, can demonstrate. This is rarely the case in >>>>>> ordinary >>>>>> living. >>>>>> >>>>>> Descartes had it that we could undergo these difficult skeptical >>>>>> processes with faith in a warm, benevolent god. It would be good to feel >>>>>> such a presence, but I don't. He had the instruments of torture to >>>>>> contend >>>>>> with for that matter. There is a presence of thinking on god without >>>>>> ancient fable, much as there are ways of thinking on economics without >>>>>> the >>>>>> dominating manners of neo-classical fantasy. The admission of perplexity >>>>>> is something of a start, but has something of the vulnerability of >>>>>> sensory >>>>>> deprivation. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am interested in the still mystical point of argument resolution >>>>>> after doubt that is not merely conviction, superiority.or promises so >>>>>> vague >>>>>> they are empty. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:12:31 PM UTC, facilitator wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course Allan! My narcissism is baptized in hypocrisy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I espouse to walk in the light and yet there are plenty of >>>>>>> "Neighbors" I don't treat better than myself. I claim spiritual >>>>>>> superiority and yet find myself in constant need of attitude >>>>>>> adjustment. I >>>>>>> want world peace but have done little to push that round peg into all of >>>>>>> the square holes I have encountered. Maybe only 1 out of three times >>>>>>> do I >>>>>>> turn the other cheek. And, I am definitely superior to most of the >>>>>>> people >>>>>>> I meet in this life. 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