There is an important presence in this argument RP - though the harmony element seems denied in the data.
On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 10:09:54 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: > > Allan, it is an old debate, I tried to explain my viewpoint to Lee but > without success. What I am saying is that it is the 'I' which strives and > acts but the 'I' is just the medium, in the background is the Spirit or God > which has laid down rules which bring actions of men into a harmonious > whole. If everybody was free there would be chaos, but the reality is that > man is bound by nature within him and outside him and so there is harmony. > But that is not all, there is still strife which makes life interesting and > gives us accountability for our actions. > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:55 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It is not the source of creation i find difficulty with.. it is here. >> >> "We know that there is predetermination but why think that he has >> predetermined, think that it all naturally happens and evolution is a >> natural predetermined process. >> >> Your predetermination theory is where the problem lies.. predetermination >> removes free will. And free will is what allows us to chose how we respond >> to our environment. Without free will the soul might as well be a boring >> old robot running its unending program with no choice involved.. >> >> This is exactly the same point you joined the group with.. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 8:58 AM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >> >> Allan, in subjective matters proving your point is difficult if not >> impossible, I cannot prove my logic about God or the Source of creation. If >> people think that I am illogical, I can do nothing about it. I don't find >> your views correct, yet they are your views and to you they are logical and >> as such acceptable to me. >> >> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:18 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> See RP we both agree that God existed before the creation of the >>> universe.. beyond that your theology and logic becomes questionable.. >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 5:07 AM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >>> >>> Neil, why think of God in the usual way, think of him as something >>> before the big bang from which the universe emerged. Think of him as the >>> mind which contained the unmanifest which became manifest as the universe. >>> We know that there is predetermination but why think that he has >>> predetermined, think that it all naturally happens and evolution is a >>> natural predetermined process. Why should God be aware like us, as the >>> source of all he need not be bound by the limits of consciousness and can >>> very well be unconscious. Have faith in such a God and your destiny. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:19 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Postmodernism is supposedly a set of critical, strategic and rhetorical >>>> practices employing concepts such as difference, repetition, the trace, >>>> the >>>> simulacrum, and hyperreality to destabilize other concepts such as* >>>> presence*, identity, historical progress, epistemic certainty, and the >>>> univocity of meaning. >>>> >>>> Tony could be seen as replaying the liar's paradox here. To admit to >>>> hypocrisy may be to admit the truth. For some postmodern writers, one has >>>> to go further than any set of analytic rules and recognise madness at work >>>> and restriction of dialogue to safe metaphors like Freud's Oedipal family, >>>> when the world of real desire is very different (quite a few writers were >>>> gay). >>>> >>>> Skepticism, over many centuries, has taught a kind of suspension of >>>> judgement to a point when one works with many different arguments. Humour >>>> can often be the only thing left after rigorous doubting, a kind of >>>> self-depreciation in the face of conflicting evidence and themes. Those >>>> of >>>> us who 'know nothing' still know how to jibe "and even this is to know >>>> more >>>> than them, those who claim to know everything". This doubting process, in >>>> science, comes to at least a temporary end in crucial experiments that >>>> anyone, in principle, can demonstrate. This is rarely the case in >>>> ordinary >>>> living. >>>> >>>> Descartes had it that we could undergo these difficult skeptical >>>> processes with faith in a warm, benevolent god. It would be good to feel >>>> such a presence, but I don't. He had the instruments of torture to >>>> contend >>>> with for that matter. There is a presence of thinking on god without >>>> ancient fable, much as there are ways of thinking on economics without the >>>> dominating manners of neo-classical fantasy. The admission of perplexity >>>> is something of a start, but has something of the vulnerability of sensory >>>> deprivation. >>>> >>>> I am interested in the still mystical point of argument resolution >>>> after doubt that is not merely conviction, superiority.or promises so >>>> vague >>>> they are empty. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:12:31 PM UTC, facilitator wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Of course Allan! My narcissism is baptized in hypocrisy. >>>>> >>>>> I espouse to walk in the light and yet there are plenty of "Neighbors" >>>>> I don't treat better than myself. I claim spiritual superiority and yet >>>>> find myself in constant need of attitude adjustment. I want world peace >>>>> but have done little to push that round peg into all of the square holes >>>>> I >>>>> have encountered. Maybe only 1 out of three times do I turn the other >>>>> cheek. And, I am definitely superior to most of the people I meet in >>>>> this >>>>> life. 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