Allan, I never said that I am a Hindu, I don't believe in any religion. I take what I want and discard what I don't. As for agreement, do as you please. I have accepted you with your viewpoint and if you can't accept me as I am, I don't see any need of a rational discourse.
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 6:56 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > RP i am going to get really blunt with you . There is no human mind of > can even begin to understand and comprehend the uncreated God. > All your arguments you present are to show dissimilarities. By Hindu > teachings say that everything returns to the uncreated God.. that teaching > alone gives at least some of the uncreated God some form of physical > presence. > The argument you are presenting RP is saying Hinduism is full of shit.. > sorry RP some of what you are saying does not hold water logically or > illogically. Using similarities to demonstrate an idea is just that it > creates a path to follow. I wrote it to help show you how to create a > better argument. But true to form you only find disagreement. I am > desperately try to find agreement. I have no idea what you want.. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: RP Singh <[email protected]> > To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> > Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 1:50 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence > > You are talking, Allan, as if god had some form and from that form he made > the material universe and the human souls. The difference of your and my > philosophy starts here only. God has no form from which he creates, he does > so out of his creative power. Again there are material laws and biological > laws, the material laws govern the physical universe whereas the biological > laws govern the sentient world. We laugh and smile when our grandchild does > something cute, that is because we have a 'love drive', we fall in love > with a woman because we have a 'sex drive', we start searching for food > because we have 'hunger'. Biology, psychology and sociology have relevance > only when we are driven by nature, if we were free these subjects wouldn't > be. Again, Allan, I admit that your view is important as it is a result of > your experiences and your capabilities and is logical to you,and it is as > such that I appreciate and accept your view, but that doesn't change my > viewpoint as it is my logic and I am confident that such is truly the case. > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:58 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I think where your arguments and logic fail is in separating the material >> reality and the spiritual reality.. you are treating them as the same >> material bound by the same laws. Maybe an invalid comparison would be a >> stem cell which creates the entirety of the body. As the body grows the >> stem cell evolves into different forms, skin cells, heart cells, muscle >> cells, nero cells. Each cell is totally different from the other cells >> preforming functions totally different than those of the other cells. Each >> type of cell originates from the simple stem and no longer resembles the >> stem sell from which it originated. >> >> Now if we look at the essence of God similar to the role of the stem >> cell. The essence of God evolves into the different materials that make >> universe and the laws that govern it (remember there are different that >> control materials like solids are guided by different laws than those >> governing liquids or solids. >> >> Even though souls are created from the same essence of God the Soul is >> evolved differently than say a rock and follows different guidelines.. your >> logic does not allow for the different evolutions of the essence of God. >> >> You are semi correct but your logic needs to start allowing for >> different material evolution. The logic you are presenting is saying that >> if you need a heart transplant it is okay for the doctor to replace it with >> a granite stone because the stone obeys exactly the same laws of God as the >> heart does.. right,? [image: 😇] or [image: 😈] >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:09 AM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >> >> Allan, it is an old debate, I tried to explain my viewpoint to Lee but >> without success. What I am saying is that it is the 'I' which strives and >> acts but the 'I' is just the medium, in the background is the Spirit or God >> which has laid down rules which bring actions of men into a harmonious >> whole. If everybody was free there would be chaos, but the reality is that >> man is bound by nature within him and outside him and so there is harmony. >> But that is not all, there is still strife which makes life interesting and >> gives us accountability for our actions. >> >> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:55 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> It is not the source of creation i find difficulty with.. it is here. >>> >>> "We know that there is predetermination but why think that he has >>> predetermined, think that it all naturally happens and evolution is a >>> natural predetermined process. >>> >>> Your predetermination theory is where the problem lies.. >>> predetermination removes free will. And free will is what allows us to >>> chose how we respond to our environment. Without free will the soul might >>> as well be a boring old robot running its unending program with no choice >>> involved.. >>> >>> This is exactly the same point you joined the group with.. >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 8:58 AM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >>> >>> Allan, in subjective matters proving your point is difficult if not >>> impossible, I cannot prove my logic about God or the Source of creation. If >>> people think that I am illogical, I can do nothing about it. I don't find >>> your views correct, yet they are your views and to you they are logical and >>> as such acceptable to me. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:18 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> See RP we both agree that God existed before the creation of the >>>> universe.. beyond that your theology and logic becomes questionable.. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 5:07 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >>>> >>>> Neil, why think of God in the usual way, think of him as something >>>> before the big bang from which the universe emerged. Think of him as the >>>> mind which contained the unmanifest which became manifest as the universe. >>>> We know that there is predetermination but why think that he has >>>> predetermined, think that it all naturally happens and evolution is a >>>> natural predetermined process. Why should God be aware like us, as the >>>> source of all he need not be bound by the limits of consciousness and can >>>> very well be unconscious. Have faith in such a God and your destiny. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:19 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Postmodernism is supposedly a set of critical, strategic and >>>>> rhetorical practices employing concepts such as difference, repetition, >>>>> the >>>>> trace, the simulacrum, and hyperreality to destabilize other concepts such >>>>> as* presence*, identity, historical progress, epistemic certainty, >>>>> and the univocity of meaning. >>>>> >>>>> Tony could be seen as replaying the liar's paradox here. To admit to >>>>> hypocrisy may be to admit the truth. For some postmodern writers, one has >>>>> to go further than any set of analytic rules and recognise madness at work >>>>> and restriction of dialogue to safe metaphors like Freud's Oedipal family, >>>>> when the world of real desire is very different (quite a few writers were >>>>> gay). >>>>> >>>>> Skepticism, over many centuries, has taught a kind of suspension of >>>>> judgement to a point when one works with many different arguments. Humour >>>>> can often be the only thing left after rigorous doubting, a kind of >>>>> self-depreciation in the face of conflicting evidence and themes. Those >>>>> of >>>>> us who 'know nothing' still know how to jibe "and even this is to know >>>>> more >>>>> than them, those who claim to know everything". This doubting process, in >>>>> science, comes to at least a temporary end in crucial experiments that >>>>> anyone, in principle, can demonstrate. This is rarely the case in >>>>> ordinary >>>>> living. >>>>> >>>>> Descartes had it that we could undergo these difficult skeptical >>>>> processes with faith in a warm, benevolent god. It would be good to feel >>>>> such a presence, but I don't. He had the instruments of torture to >>>>> contend >>>>> with for that matter. There is a presence of thinking on god without >>>>> ancient fable, much as there are ways of thinking on economics without the >>>>> dominating manners of neo-classical fantasy. The admission of perplexity >>>>> is something of a start, but has something of the vulnerability of sensory >>>>> deprivation. >>>>> >>>>> I am interested in the still mystical point of argument resolution >>>>> after doubt that is not merely conviction, superiority.or promises so >>>>> vague >>>>> they are empty. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:12:31 PM UTC, facilitator wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course Allan! My narcissism is baptized in hypocrisy. >>>>>> >>>>>> I espouse to walk in the light and yet there are plenty of >>>>>> "Neighbors" I don't treat better than myself. I claim spiritual >>>>>> superiority and yet find myself in constant need of attitude adjustment. >>>>>> I >>>>>> want world peace but have done little to push that round peg into all of >>>>>> the square holes I have encountered. Maybe only 1 out of three times do >>>>>> I >>>>>> turn the other cheek. And, I am definitely superior to most of the >>>>>> people >>>>>> I meet in this life. 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