Allan, it is an old debate, I tried to explain my viewpoint to Lee but without success. What I am saying is that it is the 'I' which strives and acts but the 'I' is just the medium, in the background is the Spirit or God which has laid down rules which bring actions of men into a harmonious whole. If everybody was free there would be chaos, but the reality is that man is bound by nature within him and outside him and so there is harmony. But that is not all, there is still strife which makes life interesting and gives us accountability for our actions.
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:55 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > It is not the source of creation i find difficulty with.. it is here. > > "We know that there is predetermination but why think that he has > predetermined, think that it all naturally happens and evolution is a > natural predetermined process. > > Your predetermination theory is where the problem lies.. predetermination > removes free will. And free will is what allows us to chose how we respond > to our environment. Without free will the soul might as well be a boring > old robot running its unending program with no choice involved.. > > This is exactly the same point you joined the group with.. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: RP Singh <[email protected]> > To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> > Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 8:58 AM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence > > Allan, in subjective matters proving your point is difficult if not > impossible, I cannot prove my logic about God or the Source of creation. If > people think that I am illogical, I can do nothing about it. I don't find > your views correct, yet they are your views and to you they are logical and > as such acceptable to me. > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:18 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> See RP we both agree that God existed before the creation of the >> universe.. beyond that your theology and logic becomes questionable.. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 5:07 AM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >> >> Neil, why think of God in the usual way, think of him as something before >> the big bang from which the universe emerged. Think of him as the mind >> which contained the unmanifest which became manifest as the universe. We >> know that there is predetermination but why think that he has >> predetermined, think that it all naturally happens and evolution is a >> natural predetermined process. Why should God be aware like us, as the >> source of all he need not be bound by the limits of consciousness and can >> very well be unconscious. Have faith in such a God and your destiny. >> >> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:19 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Postmodernism is supposedly a set of critical, strategic and rhetorical >>> practices employing concepts such as difference, repetition, the trace, the >>> simulacrum, and hyperreality to destabilize other concepts such as* >>> presence*, identity, historical progress, epistemic certainty, and the >>> univocity of meaning. >>> >>> Tony could be seen as replaying the liar's paradox here. To admit to >>> hypocrisy may be to admit the truth. For some postmodern writers, one has >>> to go further than any set of analytic rules and recognise madness at work >>> and restriction of dialogue to safe metaphors like Freud's Oedipal family, >>> when the world of real desire is very different (quite a few writers were >>> gay). >>> >>> Skepticism, over many centuries, has taught a kind of suspension of >>> judgement to a point when one works with many different arguments. Humour >>> can often be the only thing left after rigorous doubting, a kind of >>> self-depreciation in the face of conflicting evidence and themes. Those of >>> us who 'know nothing' still know how to jibe "and even this is to know more >>> than them, those who claim to know everything". This doubting process, in >>> science, comes to at least a temporary end in crucial experiments that >>> anyone, in principle, can demonstrate. This is rarely the case in ordinary >>> living. >>> >>> Descartes had it that we could undergo these difficult skeptical >>> processes with faith in a warm, benevolent god. It would be good to feel >>> such a presence, but I don't. He had the instruments of torture to contend >>> with for that matter. There is a presence of thinking on god without >>> ancient fable, much as there are ways of thinking on economics without the >>> dominating manners of neo-classical fantasy. The admission of perplexity >>> is something of a start, but has something of the vulnerability of sensory >>> deprivation. >>> >>> I am interested in the still mystical point of argument resolution after >>> doubt that is not merely conviction, superiority.or promises so vague they >>> are empty. >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:12:31 PM UTC, facilitator wrote: >>>> >>>> Of course Allan! My narcissism is baptized in hypocrisy. >>>> >>>> I espouse to walk in the light and yet there are plenty of "Neighbors" >>>> I don't treat better than myself. I claim spiritual superiority and yet >>>> find myself in constant need of attitude adjustment. I want world peace >>>> but have done little to push that round peg into all of the square holes I >>>> have encountered. Maybe only 1 out of three times do I turn the other >>>> cheek. And, I am definitely superior to most of the people I meet in this >>>> life. 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