Yea RP answer Polly.. you can always send the message via pvt email.. lol
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others -----Original Message----- From: polly skid <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 4:23 PM Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence Do you live in Delhi RP.. Cos Vam was from Delhi too.. You're probably irritated i asked you again.. ;p On Feb 27, 2015 8:35 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> wrote: > Gabby, I don't mind Allan getting angry with me, in my country there are > many Hindu zealots going around persecuting young girls who wear western > attire because they think that they are spoiling Hindu culture. It is the > same all over the world , the world is full of fundamentalists though I > don't consider Allan to be one. > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 7:40 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Matchmaking at your own double-standards ... Yes please explain to RP how >> to be the Hindu God you expect him to be ... Great theatre here today >> >> Am Freitag, 27. Februar 2015 schrieb : >> >>> In my simple point of view anyone that follows the teachings of anyone >>> of the Hindu Gods falls into the category of being Hindu.. and you fit that >>> description by your own words. >>> >>> I do accept you as you are. Over the years i have watched evolve some >>> interesting ideas only to watch you to return >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 2:51 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >>> >>> Allan, I never said that I am a Hindu, I don't believe in any religion. >>> I take what I want and discard what I don't. As for agreement, do as you >>> please. I have accepted you with your viewpoint and if you can't accept me >>> as I am, I don't see any need of a rational discourse. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 6:56 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> RP i am going to get really blunt with you . There is no human mind of >>>> can even begin to understand and comprehend the uncreated God. >>>> All your arguments you present are to show dissimilarities. By Hindu >>>> teachings say that everything returns to the uncreated God.. that teaching >>>> alone gives at least some of the uncreated God some form of physical >>>> presence. >>>> The argument you are presenting RP is saying Hinduism is full of >>>> shit.. sorry RP some of what you are saying does not hold water logically >>>> or illogically. Using similarities to demonstrate an idea is just that it >>>> creates a path to follow. I wrote it to help show you how to create a >>>> better argument. But true to form you only find disagreement. I am >>>> desperately try to find agreement. I have no idea what you want.. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 1:50 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >>>> >>>> You are talking, Allan, as if god had some form and from that form he >>>> made the material universe and the human souls. The difference of your and >>>> my philosophy starts here only. God has no form from which he creates, he >>>> does so out of his creative power. Again there are material laws and >>>> biological laws, the material laws govern the physical universe whereas the >>>> biological laws govern the sentient world. We laugh and smile when our >>>> grandchild does something cute, that is because we have a 'love drive', we >>>> fall in love with a woman because we have a 'sex drive', we start searching >>>> for food because we have 'hunger'. Biology, psychology and sociology have >>>> relevance only when we are driven by nature, if we were free these subjects >>>> wouldn't be. Again, Allan, I admit that your view is important as it is a >>>> result of your experiences and your capabilities and is logical to you,and >>>> it is as such that I appreciate and accept your view, but that doesn't >>>> change my viewpoint as it is my logic and I am confident that such is truly >>>> the case. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:58 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think where your arguments and logic fail is in separating the >>>>> material reality and the spiritual reality.. you are treating them as the >>>>> same material bound by the same laws. Maybe an invalid comparison would >>>>> be >>>>> a stem cell which creates the entirety of the body. As the body grows the >>>>> stem cell evolves into different forms, skin cells, heart cells, muscle >>>>> cells, nero cells. Each cell is totally different from the other cells >>>>> preforming functions totally different than those of the other cells. Each >>>>> type of cell originates from the simple stem and no longer resembles the >>>>> stem sell from which it originated. >>>>> >>>>> Now if we look at the essence of God similar to the role of the stem >>>>> cell. The essence of God evolves into the different materials that make >>>>> universe and the laws that govern it (remember there are different that >>>>> control materials like solids are guided by different laws than those >>>>> governing liquids or solids. >>>>> >>>>> Even though souls are created from the same essence of God the Soul is >>>>> evolved differently than say a rock and follows different guidelines.. >>>>> your >>>>> logic does not allow for the different evolutions of the essence of God. >>>>> >>>>> You are semi correct but your logic needs to start allowing for >>>>> different material evolution. The logic you are presenting is saying that >>>>> if you need a heart transplant it is okay for the doctor to replace it >>>>> with >>>>> a granite stone because the stone obeys exactly the same laws of God as >>>>> the >>>>> heart does.. right,? [image: 😇] or [image: 😈] >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:09 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >>>>> >>>>> Allan, it is an old debate, I tried to explain my viewpoint to Lee but >>>>> without success. What I am saying is that it is the 'I' which strives and >>>>> acts but the 'I' is just the medium, in the background is the Spirit or >>>>> God >>>>> which has laid down rules which bring actions of men into a harmonious >>>>> whole. If everybody was free there would be chaos, but the reality is that >>>>> man is bound by nature within him and outside him and so there is harmony. >>>>> But that is not all, there is still strife which makes life interesting >>>>> and >>>>> gives us accountability for our actions. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:55 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It is not the source of creation i find difficulty with.. it is here. >>>>>> >>>>>> "We know that there is predetermination but why think that he has >>>>>> predetermined, think that it all naturally happens and evolution is a >>>>>> natural predetermined process. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your predetermination theory is where the problem lies.. >>>>>> predetermination removes free will. And free will is what allows us to >>>>>> chose how we respond to our environment. Without free will the soul >>>>>> might >>>>>> as well be a boring old robot running its unending program with no choice >>>>>> involved.. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is exactly the same point you joined the group with.. >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 8:58 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >>>>>> >>>>>> Allan, in subjective matters proving your point is difficult if not >>>>>> impossible, I cannot prove my logic about God or the Source of creation. >>>>>> If >>>>>> people think that I am illogical, I can do nothing about it. I don't find >>>>>> your views correct, yet they are your views and to you they are logical >>>>>> and >>>>>> as such acceptable to me. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:18 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> See RP we both agree that God existed before the creation of the >>>>>>> universe.. beyond that your theology and logic becomes questionable.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 5:07 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Neil, why think of God in the usual way, think of him as something >>>>>>> before the big bang from which the universe emerged. Think of him as the >>>>>>> mind which contained the unmanifest which became manifest as the >>>>>>> universe. >>>>>>> We know that there is predetermination but why think that he has >>>>>>> predetermined, think that it all naturally happens and evolution is a >>>>>>> natural predetermined process. Why should God be aware like us, as the >>>>>>> source of all he need not be bound by the limits of consciousness and >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> very well be unconscious. Have faith in such a God and your destiny. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:19 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Postmodernism is supposedly a set of critical, strategic and >>>>>>>> rhetorical practices employing concepts such as difference, >>>>>>>> repetition, the >>>>>>>> trace, the simulacrum, and hyperreality to destabilize other concepts >>>>>>>> such >>>>>>>> as* presence*, identity, historical progress, epistemic certainty, >>>>>>>> and the univocity of meaning. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tony could be seen as replaying the liar's paradox here. To admit >>>>>>>> to hypocrisy may be to admit the truth. For some postmodern writers, >>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>> has to go further than any set of analytic rules and recognise madness >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> work and restriction of dialogue to safe metaphors like Freud's Oedipal >>>>>>>> family, when the world of real desire is very different (quite a few >>>>>>>> writers were gay). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Skepticism, over many centuries, has taught a kind of suspension of >>>>>>>> judgement to a point when one works with many different arguments. >>>>>>>> Humour >>>>>>>> can often be the only thing left after rigorous doubting, a kind of >>>>>>>> self-depreciation in the face of conflicting evidence and themes. >>>>>>>> Those of >>>>>>>> us who 'know nothing' still know how to jibe "and even this is to know >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> than them, those who claim to know everything". This doubting >>>>>>>> process, in >>>>>>>> science, comes to at least a temporary end in crucial experiments that >>>>>>>> anyone, in principle, can demonstrate. This is rarely the case in >>>>>>>> ordinary >>>>>>>> living. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Descartes had it that we could undergo these difficult skeptical >>>>>>>> processes with faith in a warm, benevolent god. It would be good to >>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>> such a presence, but I don't. He had the instruments of torture to >>>>>>>> contend >>>>>>>> with for that matter. There is a presence of thinking on god without >>>>>>>> ancient fable, much as there are ways of thinking on economics without >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> dominating manners of neo-classical fantasy. The admission of >>>>>>>> perplexity >>>>>>>> is something of a start, but has something of the vulnerability of >>>>>>>> sensory >>>>>>>> deprivation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am interested in the still mystical point of argument resolution >>>>>>>> after doubt that is not merely conviction, superiority.or promises so >>>>>>>> vague >>>>>>>> they are empty. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:12:31 PM UTC, facilitator wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course Allan! My narcissism is baptized in hypocrisy. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I espouse to walk in the light and yet there are plenty of >>>>>>>>> "Neighbors" I don't treat better than myself. I claim spiritual >>>>>>>>> superiority and yet find myself in constant need of attitude >>>>>>>>> adjustment. I >>>>>>>>> want world peace but have done little to push that round peg into all >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the square holes I have encountered. Maybe only 1 out of three times >>>>>>>>> do I >>>>>>>>> turn the other cheek. And, I am definitely superior to most of the >>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>> I meet in this life. 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