They have settled the issue in a respectful and accepted way, in case you missed that point Allan. Go lolling elsewhere now until you have cooled down.
Am Freitag, 27. Februar 2015 schrieb : > Yea RP answer Polly.. you can always send the message via pvt email.. lol > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: polly skid <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> > To: [email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> > Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 4:23 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence > > Do you live in Delhi RP.. Cos Vam was from Delhi too.. You're probably > irritated i asked you again.. ;p > On Feb 27, 2015 8:35 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: > >> Gabby, I don't mind Allan getting angry with me, in my country there are >> many Hindu zealots going around persecuting young girls who wear western >> attire because they think that they are spoiling Hindu culture. It is the >> same all over the world , the world is full of fundamentalists though I >> don't consider Allan to be one. >> >> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 7:40 PM, gabbydott <[email protected] >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >> >>> Matchmaking at your own double-standards ... Yes please explain to RP >>> how to be the Hindu God you expect him to be ... Great theatre here today >>> >>> Am Freitag, 27. Februar 2015 schrieb : >>> >>>> In my simple point of view anyone that follows the teachings of anyone >>>> of the Hindu Gods falls into the category of being Hindu.. and you fit that >>>> description by your own words. >>>> >>>> I do accept you as you are. Over the years i have watched evolve some >>>> interesting ideas only to watch you to return >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 2:51 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >>>> >>>> Allan, I never said that I am a Hindu, I don't believe in any religion. >>>> I take what I want and discard what I don't. As for agreement, do as you >>>> please. I have accepted you with your viewpoint and if you can't accept me >>>> as I am, I don't see any need of a rational discourse. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 6:56 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> RP i am going to get really blunt with you . There is no human mind >>>>> of can even begin to understand and comprehend the uncreated God. >>>>> All your arguments you present are to show dissimilarities. By Hindu >>>>> teachings say that everything returns to the uncreated God.. that teaching >>>>> alone gives at least some of the uncreated God some form of physical >>>>> presence. >>>>> The argument you are presenting RP is saying Hinduism is full of >>>>> shit.. sorry RP some of what you are saying does not hold water logically >>>>> or illogically. Using similarities to demonstrate an idea is just that it >>>>> creates a path to follow. I wrote it to help show you how to create a >>>>> better argument. But true to form you only find disagreement. I am >>>>> desperately try to find agreement. I have no idea what you want.. >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 1:50 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >>>>> >>>>> You are talking, Allan, as if god had some form and from that form he >>>>> made the material universe and the human souls. The difference of your and >>>>> my philosophy starts here only. God has no form from which he creates, he >>>>> does so out of his creative power. Again there are material laws and >>>>> biological laws, the material laws govern the physical universe whereas >>>>> the >>>>> biological laws govern the sentient world. We laugh and smile when our >>>>> grandchild does something cute, that is because we have a 'love drive', we >>>>> fall in love with a woman because we have a 'sex drive', we start >>>>> searching >>>>> for food because we have 'hunger'. Biology, psychology and sociology have >>>>> relevance only when we are driven by nature, if we were free these >>>>> subjects >>>>> wouldn't be. Again, Allan, I admit that your view is important as it is a >>>>> result of your experiences and your capabilities and is logical to you,and >>>>> it is as such that I appreciate and accept your view, but that doesn't >>>>> change my viewpoint as it is my logic and I am confident that such is >>>>> truly >>>>> the case. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:58 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think where your arguments and logic fail is in separating the >>>>>> material reality and the spiritual reality.. you are treating them as the >>>>>> same material bound by the same laws. Maybe an invalid comparison would >>>>>> be >>>>>> a stem cell which creates the entirety of the body. As the body grows the >>>>>> stem cell evolves into different forms, skin cells, heart cells, muscle >>>>>> cells, nero cells. Each cell is totally different from the other cells >>>>>> preforming functions totally different than those of the other cells. >>>>>> Each >>>>>> type of cell originates from the simple stem and no longer resembles the >>>>>> stem sell from which it originated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now if we look at the essence of God similar to the role of the stem >>>>>> cell. The essence of God evolves into the different materials that make >>>>>> universe and the laws that govern it (remember there are different that >>>>>> control materials like solids are guided by different laws than those >>>>>> governing liquids or solids. >>>>>> >>>>>> Even though souls are created from the same essence of God the Soul >>>>>> is evolved differently than say a rock and follows different guidelines.. >>>>>> your logic does not allow for the different evolutions of the essence of >>>>>> God. >>>>>> >>>>>> You are semi correct but your logic needs to start allowing for >>>>>> different material evolution. The logic you are presenting is saying that >>>>>> if you need a heart transplant it is okay for the doctor to replace it >>>>>> with >>>>>> a granite stone because the stone obeys exactly the same laws of God as >>>>>> the >>>>>> heart does.. right,? [image: 😇] or [image: 😈] >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:09 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >>>>>> >>>>>> Allan, it is an old debate, I tried to explain my viewpoint to Lee >>>>>> but without success. What I am saying is that it is the 'I' which strives >>>>>> and acts but the 'I' is just the medium, in the background is the Spirit >>>>>> or >>>>>> God which has laid down rules which bring actions of men into a >>>>>> harmonious >>>>>> whole. If everybody was free there would be chaos, but the reality is >>>>>> that >>>>>> man is bound by nature within him and outside him and so there is >>>>>> harmony. >>>>>> But that is not all, there is still strife which makes life interesting >>>>>> and >>>>>> gives us accountability for our actions. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:55 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It is not the source of creation i find difficulty with.. it is here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "We know that there is predetermination but why think that he has >>>>>>> predetermined, think that it all naturally happens and evolution is a >>>>>>> natural predetermined process. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your predetermination theory is where the problem lies.. >>>>>>> predetermination removes free will. And free will is what allows us to >>>>>>> chose how we respond to our environment. Without free will the soul >>>>>>> might >>>>>>> as well be a boring old robot running its unending program with no >>>>>>> choice >>>>>>> involved.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is exactly the same point you joined the group with.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 8:58 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Allan, in subjective matters proving your point is difficult if not >>>>>>> impossible, I cannot prove my logic about God or the Source of >>>>>>> creation. If >>>>>>> people think that I am illogical, I can do nothing about it. I don't >>>>>>> find >>>>>>> your views correct, yet they are your views and to you they are logical >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> as such acceptable to me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:18 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> See RP we both agree that God existed before the creation of the >>>>>>>> universe.. beyond that your theology and logic becomes questionable.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 5:07 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Neil, why think of God in the usual way, think of him as something >>>>>>>> before the big bang from which the universe emerged. Think of him as >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> mind which contained the unmanifest which became manifest as the >>>>>>>> universe. >>>>>>>> We know that there is predetermination but why think that he has >>>>>>>> predetermined, think that it all naturally happens and evolution is a >>>>>>>> natural predetermined process. Why should God be aware like us, as the >>>>>>>> source of all he need not be bound by the limits of consciousness and >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> very well be unconscious. Have faith in such a God and your destiny. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:19 AM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Postmodernism is supposedly a set of critical, strategic and >>>>>>>>> rhetorical practices employing concepts such as difference, >>>>>>>>> repetition, the >>>>>>>>> trace, the simulacrum, and hyperreality to destabilize other concepts >>>>>>>>> such >>>>>>>>> as* presence*, identity, historical progress, epistemic >>>>>>>>> certainty, and the univocity of meaning. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tony could be seen as replaying the liar's paradox here. To admit >>>>>>>>> to hypocrisy may be to admit the truth. For some postmodern writers, >>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>> has to go further than any set of analytic rules and recognise >>>>>>>>> madness at >>>>>>>>> work and restriction of dialogue to safe metaphors like Freud's >>>>>>>>> Oedipal >>>>>>>>> family, when the world of real desire is very different (quite a few >>>>>>>>> writers were gay). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Skepticism, over many centuries, has taught a kind of suspension >>>>>>>>> of judgement to a point when one works with many different arguments. >>>>>>>>> Humour can often be the only thing left after rigorous doubting, a >>>>>>>>> kind of >>>>>>>>> self-depreciation in the face of conflicting evidence and themes. >>>>>>>>> Those of >>>>>>>>> us who 'know nothing' still know how to jibe "and even this is to >>>>>>>>> know more >>>>>>>>> than them, those who claim to know everything". This doubting >>>>>>>>> process, in >>>>>>>>> science, comes to at least a temporary end in crucial experiments that >>>>>>>>> anyone, in principle, can demonstrate. This is rarely the case in >>>>>>>>> ordinary >>>>>>>>> living. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Descartes had it that we could undergo these difficult skeptical >>>>>>>>> processes with faith in a warm, benevolent god. It would be good to >>>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>>> such a presence, but I don't. He had the instruments of torture to >>>>>>>>> contend >>>>>>>>> with for that matter. There is a presence of thinking on god without >>>>>>>>> ancient fable, much as there are ways of thinking on economics >>>>>>>>> without the >>>>>>>>> dominating manners of neo-classical fantasy. The admission of >>>>>>>>> perplexity >>>>>>>>> is something of a start, but has something of the vulnerability of >>>>>>>>> sensory >>>>>>>>> deprivation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am interested in the still mystical point of argument resolution >>>>>>>>> after doubt that is not merely conviction, superiority.or promises so >>>>>>>>> vague >>>>>>>>> they are empty. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:12:31 PM UTC, facilitator >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Of course Allan! My narcissism is baptized in hypocrisy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I espouse to walk in the light and yet there are plenty of >>>>>>>>>> "Neighbors" I don't treat better than myself. I claim spiritual >>>>>>>>>> superiority and yet find myself in constant need of attitude >>>>>>>>>> adjustment. I >>>>>>>>>> want world peace but have done little to push that round peg into >>>>>>>>>> all of >>>>>>>>>> the square holes I have encountered. Maybe only 1 out of three >>>>>>>>>> times do I >>>>>>>>>> turn the other cheek. And, I am definitely superior to most of the >>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>> I meet in this life. 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