Be sure to get another cookie for that one. Am Freitag, 27. Februar 2015 schrieb :
> You are funny Gabby.. > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: gabbydott <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> > To: "[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>" < > [email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> > Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence > > They have settled the issue in a respectful and accepted way, in case you > missed that point Allan. Go lolling elsewhere now until you have cooled > down. > > Am Freitag, 27. Februar 2015 schrieb : > >> Yea RP answer Polly.. you can always send the message via pvt email.. >> lol >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: polly skid <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 4:23 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >> >> Do you live in Delhi RP.. Cos Vam was from Delhi too.. You're probably >> irritated i asked you again.. ;p >> On Feb 27, 2015 8:35 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Gabby, I don't mind Allan getting angry with me, in my country there are >>> many Hindu zealots going around persecuting young girls who wear western >>> attire because they think that they are spoiling Hindu culture. It is the >>> same all over the world , the world is full of fundamentalists though I >>> don't consider Allan to be one. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 7:40 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Matchmaking at your own double-standards ... Yes please explain to RP >>>> how to be the Hindu God you expect him to be ... Great theatre here today >>>> >>>> Am Freitag, 27. Februar 2015 schrieb : >>>> >>>>> In my simple point of view anyone that follows the teachings of anyone >>>>> of the Hindu Gods falls into the category of being Hindu.. and you fit >>>>> that >>>>> description by your own words. >>>>> >>>>> I do accept you as you are. Over the years i have watched evolve some >>>>> interesting ideas only to watch you to return >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 2:51 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >>>>> >>>>> Allan, I never said that I am a Hindu, I don't believe in any >>>>> religion. I take what I want and discard what I don't. As for agreement, >>>>> do >>>>> as you please. I have accepted you with your viewpoint and if you can't >>>>> accept me as I am, I don't see any need of a rational discourse. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 6:56 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> RP i am going to get really blunt with you . There is no human mind >>>>>> of can even begin to understand and comprehend the uncreated God. >>>>>> All your arguments you present are to show dissimilarities. By Hindu >>>>>> teachings say that everything returns to the uncreated God.. that >>>>>> teaching >>>>>> alone gives at least some of the uncreated God some form of physical >>>>>> presence. >>>>>> The argument you are presenting RP is saying Hinduism is full of >>>>>> shit.. sorry RP some of what you are saying does not hold water >>>>>> logically >>>>>> or illogically. Using similarities to demonstrate an idea is just that it >>>>>> creates a path to follow. I wrote it to help show you how to create a >>>>>> better argument. But true to form you only find disagreement. I am >>>>>> desperately try to find agreement. I have no idea what you want.. >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 1:50 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >>>>>> >>>>>> You are talking, Allan, as if god had some form and from that form he >>>>>> made the material universe and the human souls. The difference of your >>>>>> and >>>>>> my philosophy starts here only. God has no form from which he creates, he >>>>>> does so out of his creative power. Again there are material laws and >>>>>> biological laws, the material laws govern the physical universe whereas >>>>>> the >>>>>> biological laws govern the sentient world. We laugh and smile when our >>>>>> grandchild does something cute, that is because we have a 'love drive', >>>>>> we >>>>>> fall in love with a woman because we have a 'sex drive', we start >>>>>> searching >>>>>> for food because we have 'hunger'. Biology, psychology and sociology have >>>>>> relevance only when we are driven by nature, if we were free these >>>>>> subjects >>>>>> wouldn't be. Again, Allan, I admit that your view is important as it is a >>>>>> result of your experiences and your capabilities and is logical to >>>>>> you,and >>>>>> it is as such that I appreciate and accept your view, but that doesn't >>>>>> change my viewpoint as it is my logic and I am confident that such is >>>>>> truly >>>>>> the case. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:58 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think where your arguments and logic fail is in separating the >>>>>>> material reality and the spiritual reality.. you are treating them as >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> same material bound by the same laws. Maybe an invalid comparison >>>>>>> would be >>>>>>> a stem cell which creates the entirety of the body. As the body grows >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> stem cell evolves into different forms, skin cells, heart cells, muscle >>>>>>> cells, nero cells. Each cell is totally different from the other cells >>>>>>> preforming functions totally different than those of the other cells. >>>>>>> Each >>>>>>> type of cell originates from the simple stem and no longer resembles the >>>>>>> stem sell from which it originated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now if we look at the essence of God similar to the role of the stem >>>>>>> cell. The essence of God evolves into the different materials that make >>>>>>> universe and the laws that govern it (remember there are different that >>>>>>> control materials like solids are guided by different laws than those >>>>>>> governing liquids or solids. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Even though souls are created from the same essence of God the Soul >>>>>>> is evolved differently than say a rock and follows different >>>>>>> guidelines.. >>>>>>> your logic does not allow for the different evolutions of the essence of >>>>>>> God. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are semi correct but your logic needs to start allowing for >>>>>>> different material evolution. The logic you are presenting is saying >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> if you need a heart transplant it is okay for the doctor to replace it >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> a granite stone because the stone obeys exactly the same laws of God as >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> heart does.. right,? [image: 😇] or [image: 😈] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:09 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Allan, it is an old debate, I tried to explain my viewpoint to Lee >>>>>>> but without success. What I am saying is that it is the 'I' which >>>>>>> strives >>>>>>> and acts but the 'I' is just the medium, in the background is the >>>>>>> Spirit or >>>>>>> God which has laid down rules which bring actions of men into a >>>>>>> harmonious >>>>>>> whole. If everybody was free there would be chaos, but the reality is >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> man is bound by nature within him and outside him and so there is >>>>>>> harmony. >>>>>>> But that is not all, there is still strife which makes life interesting >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> gives us accountability for our actions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:55 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is not the source of creation i find difficulty with.. it is >>>>>>>> here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "We know that there is predetermination but why think that he has >>>>>>>> predetermined, think that it all naturally happens and evolution is a >>>>>>>> natural predetermined process. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your predetermination theory is where the problem lies.. >>>>>>>> predetermination removes free will. And free will is what allows us to >>>>>>>> chose how we respond to our environment. Without free will the soul >>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>> as well be a boring old robot running its unending program with no >>>>>>>> choice >>>>>>>> involved.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is exactly the same point you joined the group with.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 8:58 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Allan, in subjective matters proving your point is difficult if not >>>>>>>> impossible, I cannot prove my logic about God or the Source of >>>>>>>> creation. If >>>>>>>> people think that I am illogical, I can do nothing about it. I don't >>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>> your views correct, yet they are your views and to you they are >>>>>>>> logical and >>>>>>>> as such acceptable to me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:18 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> See RP we both agree that God existed before the creation of the >>>>>>>>> universe.. beyond that your theology and logic becomes questionable.. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 5:07 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Neil, why think of God in the usual way, think of him as something >>>>>>>>> before the big bang from which the universe emerged. Think of him as >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> mind which contained the unmanifest which became manifest as the >>>>>>>>> universe. >>>>>>>>> We know that there is predetermination but why think that he has >>>>>>>>> predetermined, think that it all naturally happens and evolution is a >>>>>>>>> natural predetermined process. Why should God be aware like us, as the >>>>>>>>> source of all he need not be bound by the limits of consciousness and >>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>> very well be unconscious. Have faith in such a God and your destiny. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:19 AM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Postmodernism is supposedly a set of critical, strategic and >>>>>>>>>> rhetorical practices employing concepts such as difference, >>>>>>>>>> repetition, the >>>>>>>>>> trace, the simulacrum, and hyperreality to destabilize other >>>>>>>>>> concepts such >>>>>>>>>> as* presence*, identity, historical progress, epistemic >>>>>>>>>> certainty, and the univocity of meaning. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tony could be seen as replaying the liar's paradox here. To >>>>>>>>>> admit to hypocrisy may be to admit the truth. For some postmodern >>>>>>>>>> writers, >>>>>>>>>> one has to go further than any set of analytic rules and recognise >>>>>>>>>> madness >>>>>>>>>> at work and restriction of dialogue to safe metaphors like Freud's >>>>>>>>>> Oedipal >>>>>>>>>> family, when the world of real desire is very different (quite a few >>>>>>>>>> writers were gay). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Skepticism, over many centuries, has taught a kind of suspension >>>>>>>>>> of judgement to a point when one works with many different arguments. >>>>>>>>>> Humour can often be the only thing left after rigorous doubting, a >>>>>>>>>> kind of >>>>>>>>>> self-depreciation in the face of conflicting evidence and themes. >>>>>>>>>> Those of >>>>>>>>>> us who 'know nothing' still know how to jibe "and even this is to >>>>>>>>>> know more >>>>>>>>>> than them, those who claim to know everything". This doubting >>>>>>>>>> process, in >>>>>>>>>> science, comes to at least a temporary end in crucial experiments >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> anyone, in principle, can demonstrate. This is rarely the case in >>>>>>>>>> ordinary >>>>>>>>>> living. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Descartes had it that we could undergo these difficult skeptical >>>>>>>>>> processes with faith in a warm, benevolent god. It would be good to >>>>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>>>> such a presence, but I don't. He had the instruments of torture to >>>>>>>>>> contend >>>>>>>>>> with for that matter. There is a presence of thinking on god without >>>>>>>>>> ancient fable, much as there are ways of thinking on economics >>>>>>>>>> without the >>>>>>>>>> dominating manners of neo-classical fantasy. The admission of >>>>>>>>>> perplexity >>>>>>>>>> is something of a start, but has something of the vulnerability of >>>>>>>>>> sensory >>>>>>>>>> deprivation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am interested in the still mystical point of argument >>>>>>>>>> resolution after doubt that is not merely conviction, superiority.or >>>>>>>>>> promises so vague they are empty. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:12:31 PM UTC, facilitator >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Of course Allan! My narcissism is baptized in hypocrisy. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I espouse to walk in the light and yet there are plenty of >>>>>>>>>>> "Neighbors" I don't treat better than myself. I claim spiritual >>>>>>>>>>> superiority and yet find myself in constant need of attitude >>>>>>>>>>> adjustment. I >>>>>>>>>>> want world peace but have done little to push that round peg into >>>>>>>>>>> all of >>>>>>>>>>> the square holes I have encountered. Maybe only 1 out of three >>>>>>>>>>> times do I >>>>>>>>>>> turn the other cheek. And, I am definitely superior to most of the >>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>> I meet in this life. 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