I don't want to say anything on this anymore. But i guess if one were looking to get some change.. It starts from the family... And friends... On Mar 5, 2015 7:56 PM, "Molly" <[email protected]> wrote:
> A very sad case indeed, Pol. There is much there to invoke outrage. And > RP's crack about women being the worst enemy for women has the tone of > these rapists flinging insults about the victim. But I cannot say I agree > that the film looks to be someone preying on the victim to get their own 5 > minutes of fame. Looks as if the film makers took a tough stand to try to > bring attention to the problem. And the problem looks to be, at least in > part, that blaming the victim is so accepted in all parts of culture that > we don't even recognize it when we see it, or sometimes say it. I can feel > deep compassion for the mother when she says that she can't be hurt worse > by their words after her daughter died in her arms after their violent > actions. How do we bring attention to the atrocity of cultural acceptance > of not only this kind of violence but the gender inequity that perpetuates > it? > > On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 8:59:06 AM UTC-5, pol.science kid wrote: >> >> http://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/i-wish- >> judiciary-govt-did-more-than-just-ban-a-film/ >> On Mar 5, 2015 4:44 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> That documentary has been banned and I don't read banned stuff because >>> it is mostly prejudiced and sensational. The maker is simply creating a >>> storm to make money. When that incident happened everyone was shocked, and >>> by raising that subject again by talking to a perpetrator of the crime what >>> did the producer want? If he was really concerned he should have talked to >>> people on the road and not a savage who had no concern for others but only >>> blaming the victim. Everyone needs protection, I as well. It is society >>> through the government that provides protection against criminals and >>> scoundrels. There are other type of savages who loot all your money and put >>> you on the road, there are savages in uniform who implicate you in criminal >>> cases, everyone needs protection and you are not unique in that. You can >>> make India a better place to live in, just why don't you try to do that? >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:19 PM, polly skid <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Don't use animals and rapists synonymously. What is your point when you >>>> say women in other places are vulnerable? Its quite obvious.. We all live >>>> in this world and are aware of what happens in other places too.. The point >>>> of reference is the documentary and Delhi. Maybe extending it to other >>>> parts of India. Nobody ever said only Indian men rape. I don't know who you >>>> are defending 'india' against... When you say 'you are not unique 'in >>>> demanding protection.. Are you talking to me(when did i demand >>>> protection;when i said delhi is unsafe??) , or do you mean all womankind >>>> when you say 'you are not unique in demanding protection'? As far as i >>>> gather Udwin is saying through the documentary that most men in india are >>>> not raised to respect women as equals and that's a contributing factor in >>>> increased rapes, hardly about controlling some random 'savages' out to get >>>> women and children. Maybe you should actually watch the documentary. Might >>>> help bring some perspective. >>>> On Mar 5, 2015 4:03 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Such instances happen everywhere in the world. There are streets in >>>>> New York where you cannot move about. Girls are, and yes even children are >>>>> forcefully put into prostitution and are drugged and made to do things >>>>> which go against civilization. Are they being done by Indians only? >>>>> Everyone needs protection from the animals and savages among us, and you >>>>> are not unique in that. Western countries might be better in some sense, >>>>> but we are in others. If you are talking about Delhi, you are doing so as >>>>> if it was crawling with monsters, but there are monsters everywhere. In >>>>> developed countries they have better systems of control, and as we >>>>> progress >>>>> we will learn to control the animals here as well. >>>>> I have just read Archytas and he has given a good explanation. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 3:14 PM, polly skid <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Leave Delhi.. Remember the UP village case where two teenage sisters >>>>>> were raped and hanged from a tree? Already forgotten by most people. >>>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 3:12 PM, "polly skid" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Why should i need protection if i wear western attire..?and by that >>>>>>> logic wearing 'indian attire' doesnt call for 'protection'..if you wear >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> ? Comparing India with Taliban aint a very great idea. We are moving >>>>>>> forward(in time) because thats what people do/countries do.. Plus who is >>>>>>> criticizing 'india' dude...?? I dont get the point of getting masses and >>>>>>> democracy. It's a fact that if youre a woman in Delhi youre quite >>>>>>> unsafe. >>>>>>> One cant even call any cab or board any bus.. The problems of course go >>>>>>> much further than anything that is written here. Arguing about the >>>>>>> 'greatness' of india's heritage, democracy , culture doesnt do shit.... >>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 2:35 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you are wearing western attire and moving about the streets of >>>>>>>> Delhi who protects you, it is the people of India. India is a >>>>>>>> democracy and >>>>>>>> the government can function only if they are chosen by the people. >>>>>>>> Whatever >>>>>>>> politicians might be they know that they are answerable to the people >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> are ruling with peoples' mandate. Day by day we are moving forward, >>>>>>>> are we >>>>>>>> doing so by subjugating the masses? Our former Prime Minister Indira >>>>>>>> Gandhi >>>>>>>> tried to play the despot and lost the next election, she learned the >>>>>>>> lesson >>>>>>>> and corrected herself. Polly Taliban does not exist here , some people >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> trying to do that in the name of culture and are unsuccessful. Do the >>>>>>>> majority in India want fundamentalism, surely not! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 1:12 PM, polly skid <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sorry.. I don't mean the word tolerant.. what are 'they' supposed >>>>>>>>> to be 'tolerant' of anyways.. That females exist and move about by >>>>>>>>> will?? >>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 12:52 PM, "polly skid" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hate to say this RP.. But majority of people are NOT tolerant... >>>>>>>>>> An hour into the streets of most areas of Delhi or even most parts >>>>>>>>>> of north >>>>>>>>>> india would make it clear... Maybe you stay in better parts... >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 11:41 AM, "'facilitator' via "Minds Eye < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That's encouraging RP. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 12:30:56 AM UTC-5, RP Singh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It is not the majority view, but that of deranged, uneducated >>>>>>>>>>>> and fundamentalists. Such people are always doing something evil >>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>>> name of culture, what do such people know of culture. We have a >>>>>>>>>>>> rich >>>>>>>>>>>> heritage of giving respect to women if we look in not so ancient >>>>>>>>>>>> India, >>>>>>>>>>>> when muslim raiders came from the west and stole women a little >>>>>>>>>>>> purdah >>>>>>>>>>>> system developed as a defence, and in the course of time evils in >>>>>>>>>>>> society >>>>>>>>>>>> also developed, but by the good works done by social reformers >>>>>>>>>>>> from amongst >>>>>>>>>>>> us much of our evil treatment of our women was abolished. It is in >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> nature of humans to rationalize their venomous intentions by >>>>>>>>>>>> putting the >>>>>>>>>>>> blame on the victim. The majority of our people are not like that, >>>>>>>>>>>> they are >>>>>>>>>>>> tolerant and free and that is the reason that we are progressing >>>>>>>>>>>> greatly. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 12:58 AM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> China? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 7:13:51 PM UTC, facilitator >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Article: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Blaming women for rape is what hundreds of millions of men >>>>>>>>>>>>>> here are taught to believe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And the code for women in this country is simple: Dress >>>>>>>>>>>>>> modestly, don't go out at night, don't go to bars and clubs, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't go out >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alone. If you break the code, you will be blamed for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequences. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> When one of the four men sentenced to death for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> high-profile gang rape of the woman in 2012 was quoted in a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>> documentary >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as saying "a girl is far more responsible for rape than a boy," >>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeating something community and religious leaders in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nation of 1.2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> billion routinely say. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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