Grass roots change, in my experience, changes the world. On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 10:33:07 AM UTC-5, pol.science kid wrote: > > I don't want to say anything on this anymore. But i guess if one were > looking to get some change.. It starts from the family... And friends... > On Mar 5, 2015 7:56 PM, "Molly" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> A very sad case indeed, Pol. There is much there to invoke outrage. And >> RP's crack about women being the worst enemy for women has the tone of >> these rapists flinging insults about the victim. But I cannot say I agree >> that the film looks to be someone preying on the victim to get their own 5 >> minutes of fame. Looks as if the film makers took a tough stand to try to >> bring attention to the problem. And the problem looks to be, at least in >> part, that blaming the victim is so accepted in all parts of culture that >> we don't even recognize it when we see it, or sometimes say it. I can feel >> deep compassion for the mother when she says that she can't be hurt worse >> by their words after her daughter died in her arms after their violent >> actions. How do we bring attention to the atrocity of cultural acceptance >> of not only this kind of violence but the gender inequity that perpetuates >> it? >> >> On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 8:59:06 AM UTC-5, pol.science kid wrote: >>> >>> http://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/i-wish- >>> judiciary-govt-did-more-than-just-ban-a-film/ >>> On Mar 5, 2015 4:44 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> That documentary has been banned and I don't read banned stuff because >>>> it is mostly prejudiced and sensational. The maker is simply creating a >>>> storm to make money. When that incident happened everyone was shocked, and >>>> by raising that subject again by talking to a perpetrator of the crime >>>> what >>>> did the producer want? If he was really concerned he should have talked to >>>> people on the road and not a savage who had no concern for others but only >>>> blaming the victim. Everyone needs protection, I as well. It is society >>>> through the government that provides protection against criminals and >>>> scoundrels. There are other type of savages who loot all your money and >>>> put >>>> you on the road, there are savages in uniform who implicate you in >>>> criminal >>>> cases, everyone needs protection and you are not unique in that. You can >>>> make India a better place to live in, just why don't you try to do that? >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:19 PM, polly skid <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Don't use animals and rapists synonymously. What is your point when >>>>> you say women in other places are vulnerable? Its quite obvious.. We all >>>>> live in this world and are aware of what happens in other places too.. >>>>> The >>>>> point of reference is the documentary and Delhi. Maybe extending it to >>>>> other parts of India. Nobody ever said only Indian men rape. I don't know >>>>> who you are defending 'india' against... When you say 'you are not unique >>>>> 'in demanding protection.. Are you talking to me(when did i demand >>>>> protection;when i said delhi is unsafe??) , or do you mean all womankind >>>>> when you say 'you are not unique in demanding protection'? As far as i >>>>> gather Udwin is saying through the documentary that most men in india >>>>> are >>>>> not raised to respect women as equals and that's a contributing factor in >>>>> increased rapes, hardly about controlling some random 'savages' out to >>>>> get >>>>> women and children. Maybe you should actually watch the documentary. >>>>> Might >>>>> help bring some perspective. >>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 4:03 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Such instances happen everywhere in the world. There are streets in >>>>>> New York where you cannot move about. Girls are, and yes even children >>>>>> are >>>>>> forcefully put into prostitution and are drugged and made to do things >>>>>> which go against civilization. Are they being done by Indians only? >>>>>> Everyone needs protection from the animals and savages among us, and you >>>>>> are not unique in that. Western countries might be better in some sense, >>>>>> but we are in others. If you are talking about Delhi, you are doing so >>>>>> as >>>>>> if it was crawling with monsters, but there are monsters everywhere. In >>>>>> developed countries they have better systems of control, and as we >>>>>> progress >>>>>> we will learn to control the animals here as well. >>>>>> I have just read Archytas and he has given a good explanation. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 3:14 PM, polly skid <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Leave Delhi.. Remember the UP village case where two teenage sisters >>>>>>> were raped and hanged from a tree? Already forgotten by most people. >>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 3:12 PM, "polly skid" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why should i need protection if i wear western attire..?and by that >>>>>>>> logic wearing 'indian attire' doesnt call for 'protection'..if you >>>>>>>> wear it >>>>>>>> ? Comparing India with Taliban aint a very great idea. We are moving >>>>>>>> forward(in time) because thats what people do/countries do.. Plus who >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> criticizing 'india' dude...?? I dont get the point of getting masses >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> democracy. It's a fact that if youre a woman in Delhi youre quite >>>>>>>> unsafe. >>>>>>>> One cant even call any cab or board any bus.. The problems of course >>>>>>>> go >>>>>>>> much further than anything that is written here. Arguing about the >>>>>>>> 'greatness' of india's heritage, democracy , culture doesnt do >>>>>>>> shit.... >>>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 2:35 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you are wearing western attire and moving about the streets of >>>>>>>>> Delhi who protects you, it is the people of India. India is a >>>>>>>>> democracy and >>>>>>>>> the government can function only if they are chosen by the people. >>>>>>>>> Whatever >>>>>>>>> politicians might be they know that they are answerable to the people >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> are ruling with peoples' mandate. Day by day we are moving forward, >>>>>>>>> are we >>>>>>>>> doing so by subjugating the masses? Our former Prime Minister Indira >>>>>>>>> Gandhi >>>>>>>>> tried to play the despot and lost the next election, she learned the >>>>>>>>> lesson >>>>>>>>> and corrected herself. Polly Taliban does not exist here , some >>>>>>>>> people are >>>>>>>>> trying to do that in the name of culture and are unsuccessful. Do the >>>>>>>>> majority in India want fundamentalism, surely not! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 1:12 PM, polly skid <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sorry.. I don't mean the word tolerant.. what are 'they' supposed >>>>>>>>>> to be 'tolerant' of anyways.. That females exist and move about by >>>>>>>>>> will?? >>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 12:52 PM, "polly skid" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hate to say this RP.. But majority of people are NOT >>>>>>>>>>> tolerant... An hour into the streets of most areas of Delhi or >>>>>>>>>>> even most >>>>>>>>>>> parts of north india would make it clear... Maybe you stay in >>>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>> parts... >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 11:41 AM, "'facilitator' via "Minds Eye < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> That's encouraging RP. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 12:30:56 AM UTC-5, RP Singh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not the majority view, but that of deranged, uneducated >>>>>>>>>>>>> and fundamentalists. Such people are always doing something evil >>>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> name of culture, what do such people know of culture. We have a >>>>>>>>>>>>> rich >>>>>>>>>>>>> heritage of giving respect to women if we look in not so ancient >>>>>>>>>>>>> India, >>>>>>>>>>>>> when muslim raiders came from the west and stole women a little >>>>>>>>>>>>> purdah >>>>>>>>>>>>> system developed as a defence, and in the course of time evils in >>>>>>>>>>>>> society >>>>>>>>>>>>> also developed, but by the good works done by social reformers >>>>>>>>>>>>> from amongst >>>>>>>>>>>>> us much of our evil treatment of our women was abolished. It is >>>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> nature of humans to rationalize their venomous intentions by >>>>>>>>>>>>> putting the >>>>>>>>>>>>> blame on the victim. The majority of our people are not like >>>>>>>>>>>>> that, they are >>>>>>>>>>>>> tolerant and free and that is the reason that we are progressing >>>>>>>>>>>>> greatly. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 12:58 AM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> China? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 7:13:51 PM UTC, facilitator >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Article: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Blaming women for rape is what hundreds of millions of men >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here are taught to believe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And the code for women in this country is simple: Dress >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modestly, don't go out at night, don't go to bars and clubs, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't go out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alone. If you break the code, you will be blamed for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequences. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When one of the four men sentenced to death for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> high-profile gang rape of the woman in 2012 was quoted in a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documentary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as saying "a girl is far more responsible for rape than a boy," >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeating something community and religious leaders in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nation of 1.2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> billion routinely say. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >
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